If you outlaw guns, then only....

footfootfoot · 10-20-2006, 08:03 PM

I have no defined, resolved opinion on this matter. I'd love to own a gun, they appeal to me on many levels,I may in fact buy one at some point. More of a rifleman than a handgunner, though there is a lot of fun in shooting handguns.

Most of the reasons people post about protection, revolution, etc. don't really sway my opinions.

I did see a funny bumper sticker the other day: If guns are outlawed only outlaws will accidentally shoot their children. But that is the problem with the whole debate. almost instant recourse to wild, emotionally freighted arguments and very little objective fact. A lot of unlikely "what if..." scenarios used as reasons to be armed.

I know a lot of gun owners and out of the group I'd say only about three of them are truly safe and responsible about their firearms.

I, personally, would like the right to buy pistols and rifles, and I'd also like the right to vet who else gets to buy them.

As for the old intruder in the house scenario I wouldn't need a gun. I'd be perfectly capable of beating the pulp out of someone with a lamp or chair or handful of quarters in a sock.

I can improvise.

Griff · 10-20-2006, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by footfootfoot

I know a lot of gun owners and out of the group I'd say only about three of them are truly safe and responsible about their firearms.

I know a lot of unsafe gunners. To me you can make all the pragmatic arguments you want, but gun ownership is a political decision that says the individual's rights outweigh the State's. Of course I'm into the scotch...

footfootfoot · 10-20-2006, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Griff

I know a lot of unsafe gunners. To me you can make all the pragmatic arguments you want, but gun ownership is a political decision that says the individual's rights outweigh the State's. Of course I'm into the scotch...

Who are the state? Can't we do anything to minimise their tiresomeness?

Griff · 10-25-2006, 11:51 AM

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Who are the state? Can't we do anything to minimise their tiresomeness?

One man's answer, No Treason.

xoxoxoBruce · 10-20-2006, 08:17 PM

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As for the old intruder in the house scenario I wouldn't need a gun. I'd be perfectly capable of beating the pulp out of someone with a lamp or chair or handful of quarters in a sock.

Even if it was Chuck Norris?

footfootfoot · 10-20-2006, 08:23 PM

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Even if it was Chuck Norris?

there you go again, arguing the exception...

But if it was chuck norris I'd just hold up a mirror and he'd go into a feedback loop of self immolation creating a black hole which would actually suck time into itself.

Spexxvet · 10-23-2006, 02:49 PM

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..I know a lot of gun owners and out of the group I'd say only about three of them are truly safe and responsible about their firearms.
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On the converse, I know alot of people, none of whom have needed a gun to protect themselves from home invasion, rape, robbery, or rape. I said rape twice - I like rape.

MaggieL · 10-23-2006, 03:53 PM

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On the converse, I know alot of people, none of whom have needed a gun to protect themselves from home invasion, rape, robbery, or rape. I said rape twice - I like rape.

As we all know, all crime victims instantly tell all their friends the moment they become a victim...especially if the crime is rape.

Spexxvet · 10-23-2006, 04:00 PM

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As we all know, all crime victims instantly tell all their friends the moment they become a victim...especially if the crime is rape.

I have lots of friends. They would share with me. Don't you have that kind of relationship with people? Oh, I should have known.

MaggieL · 10-23-2006, 08:42 PM

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I have lots of friends. They would share with me. Don't you have that kind of relationship with people? Oh, I should have known.

I do. And that's why I know quite a few rape victims who have told very, very few people about their assault. Especially male people who might say something like...

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I said rape twice - I like rape.

Spexxvet · 10-24-2006, 09:25 AM

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I do. And that's why I know quite a few rape victims who have told very, very few people about their assault. Especially male people who might say something like...

Another example that Maggie has no sense of humor.

Spexxvet · 10-24-2006, 09:30 AM

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Father Accused of Pulling Gun at Pee Wee Football Game
Police say he was upset son didn't get enough playing time

Police say Derkotch did have a weapons permit.

From here.

Yeah, those legal gun owners sure are responsible, upstanding, reasonable folks who show good judgement...NOT

MaggieL · 10-24-2006, 11:03 AM

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Another example that Maggie has no sense of humor.

Yeah, rape is just so damned funny I forgot to laugh.

MaggieL · 10-23-2006, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by footfootfoot

I know a lot of gun owners and out of the group I'd say only about three of them are truly safe and responsible about their firearms.

Maybe your friends are a bunch of morons. It's kind of a preselected cohort...

I probably know a lot more gun owners than than you, and they're all safe and responsible about their firearms. Or they wouldn't be my friends.

By the way, what proportion of "a lot" is "about three"?

Spexxvet · 10-23-2006, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by MaggieL

Maybe your friends are a bunch of morons. It's kind of a preselected cohort...

I probably know a lot more gun owners than than you, and they're all safe and responsible about their firearms. Or they wouldn't be my friends.
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Or maybe you're not admitting the truth, or you just don't know, or you don't want to jeopardize your argument.

10-20-2006, 08:03 PM	#1
footfootfoot To shreds, you say? Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: in the house and on the street-how many, many feet we meet! Posts: 18,449	I have no defined, resolved opinion on this matter. I'd love to own a gun, they appeal to me on many levels,I may in fact buy one at some point. More of a rifleman than a handgunner, though there is a lot of fun in shooting handguns. Most of the reasons people post about protection, revolution, etc. don't really sway my opinions. I did see a funny bumper sticker the other day: If guns are outlawed only outlaws will accidentally shoot their children. But that is the problem with the whole debate. almost instant recourse to wild, emotionally freighted arguments and very little objective fact. A lot of unlikely "what if..." scenarios used as reasons to be armed. I know a lot of gun owners and out of the group I'd say only about three of them are truly safe and responsible about their firearms. I, personally, would like the right to buy pistols and rifles, and I'd also like the right to vet who else gets to buy them. As for the old intruder in the house scenario I wouldn't need a gun. I'd be perfectly capable of beating the pulp out of someone with a lamp or chair or handful of quarters in a sock. I can improvise. __________________ The internet is a hateful stew of vomit you can never take completely seriously. - Her Fobs

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