Totally Gay

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

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Gayle and I need to be gone for a while. We will never return to a leadership role at New Life Church. 


Do you suppose he's been able to scrap together enough to live on, until he can get a job at walmart of McD's?

Nah. With his charisma, he'll open up across the street from his old church, under the name "The Christian Gay Brotherhood".

[mrnoodle]

lol, oops.

Originally Posted by Clodfobble

Ha! I hadn't realized there wasn't already evidence pointing to the meth... "You out me and ruin my life, I'll make sure you get brought up on drug charges, bitch."

[9th Engineer]

Disease, no, but don't be fooled into confusing a persons genetics with the persons behavior. Genetics is far more complicated, those who say "it's a genetic factor, so it's just who they are" are really distorting what a genetic factor is. We've already done bahavioral analysis based on genetic markers in my cellular engineering course, and we're definately holding this to a different standard. At best your genetics are a structure upon which behaviors are built according to environmental influences, it is absolutly not a rigid frame that determines what you are from conception onwards. If it wasn't such a political issue I'm sure that we'd be doing research on what genes are involved in homosexuality, the results could be interesting in a number of other areas as well. We're actually very good at manipulating the expression of genes in living organisms, turning off or turning on different factors is simple. Wouldn't it be interesting to really know the answer to all this? Would people accept that answer no matter what it turned out to be?

[Elspode]

I just want to live in a world where people can be gay if they want to, and no one really cares, as long as they aren't being forced to get it on with them.

On the other hand, when someone builds their entire life and image on morality that doesn't include being gay, then turns out to have those proclivities, they deserve to get reamed just for being stupid, judgemental and big stinking lying hypocrites.

[9th Engineer]

Just like if you ever find yourself going against your moral code you should have the same done to you for having such a stupid sense of morals?

[Elspode]

Yup. Unlike the disgraced preacher, my path requires me to take personal resposibility for my actions. I have no saviour to take away my stupidity. If I screw up, I get reamed. I pay the price, both in this world and the next. Pretty simple philosophy, and I think it makes me a good deal more careful.

It also helps that I don't go around professing to others how they should live their lives. It would be one thing if this guy had quietly been against homosexuality and drugs, then fell on his face. It is quite another to pound on a pulpit, all Righteous and imbued with Truth, then fall on his face.

[9th Engineer]

He is taking personal responsibility for his actions, he has stepped down and hasn't changed from what he was saying before.

On the other hand, when someone builds their entire life and image on morality that doesn't include being gay, then turns out to have those proclivities, they deserve to get reamed just for being stupid, judgemental and big stinking lying hypocrites.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you insinuate that the fault lies with them having a bad set of morals, not with struggling with something that they don't believe they should do. He believes that homosexual sex is a choice he made and that it was a sin, there's a separation of the person and the act in there. He's acting the same way as he would if he started doing meth or something else forbidden, then was forced to atone for his actions.
Even churchs that condem homosexuality almost always separate the sex itself from the person. It's not the urges that they find evil, it's going out and having a gay partner. I'm sure that if he had never given in to it and announced to his congregation that he himself is subject to these urges but was strong in the face of temptation he would have recieved an ovation.
You are projecting your belief that if a person has homosexual urges they must satisfy those urges, these people don't think that way.

[mrnoodle]

Originally Posted by Elspode

Yup. Unlike the disgraced preacher, my path requires me to take personal resposibility for my actions. I have no saviour to take away my stupidity. If I screw up, I get reamed. I pay the price, both in this world and the next. Pretty simple philosophy, and I think it makes me a good deal more careful.

That's a mischaracterization of Christianity. Consequences don't disappear, if anything they are more pronounced. The preacher is getting doubly slammed because he is doubly hypocritical. Beyond any personal price he pays for his lies, he has to answer for the fact that he has turned more people against God because they take his example as representative of the faith. God will judge him not just for what he did, but for the fact that he damaged the faith of others.

Matt. 18:7 -- Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to sin! Such things must come, but woe to the man through whom they come!

Preacher is in deep trouble, and aside from the status of his salvation, he will pay in a big way, if Jesus was telling the truth.