Saddam to Swing - Page 13

milkfish · 12-30-2006, 09:49 AM

Well, now Ken Lay isn't the most junior celebrity in Hell any more.

Radar · 12-30-2006, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

He's swung; another milestone passed, and the world shithead count is down by one. It will be emphasized that Iraqis, Saddam's most numerous victims (a butcher's bill of about a million and a half offed for unpopular political opinions, a hanging offense with dictators everywhere, and quite outside Iraqi military casualties, also extensive), were the ones who took him out. Mutterings about the U.S. pulling the strings are, in the end, of no consequence.

Ba'athist spokesmen have threatened to... continue behaving as badly as before should Saddam be hanged.

The death of Saddam does absolutely nothing to legitimize this cluster fuck of an illegitimate, unconstitutional, unwarranted, and idiotic war. Saddam was never a danger to America, but George W. Bush is.

DanaC · 12-30-2006, 12:21 PM

I find the timing quite interesting. If the Iraqi 'state' is so interested in seeing justice done.....then why not postpone his execution to allow the continuation of the already opened trials he still faced?

Griff · 12-30-2006, 12:29 PM

Because there is a good chance he'd be freed in the coming collapse.

Beestie · 12-30-2006, 03:08 PM

I don't have anything to add.

I just wanted to use this smilie.

Aliantha · 12-30-2006, 05:55 PM

Some people view the hanging of this man as a legitimization of their efforts in the war they started in his country.

It has been a failure. Nobody has been fooled - except the ones who've been wearing blinders from the start.

Beestie · 12-30-2006, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha

Some people view the hanging of this man to legitimize their efforts in the war they started in his country.

And some don't. Speaking strictly for myself, I'm glad to see him dangle from the end of a rope. I'd feel the same if we had never set foot in his stinking country.

Aliantha · 12-30-2006, 06:20 PM

Hmmm...I've just noticed my terrible grammar in my above post.

I think I might go back and edit.

Beestie, there's plenty of people who feel the same way you do also.

As I stated at the begining of this thread, I disagree with the death penalty on principal, and in this case, I think it's been a pointless excercise anyway.

Undertoad · 12-30-2006, 06:59 PM

I'm sure the hundreds of thousands of people Saddam unceremoniously offed agree with you.

Elspode · 12-30-2006, 07:40 PM

Saddam was bad, m'kay? Now that we've done him in and avenged the many thousands who suffered under his iron fist, we need to figure out if we're going to be able to further help stabilize the region, or if our presence is just making it worse.

These people have been killing each other for a long time. They aren't going to stop simply because we've set up a democratic government. Sooner or later, that government is going to have to go to work on its own.

That probably won't happen as long as they have oil, though, huh?

JayMcGee · 12-30-2006, 08:00 PM

"Now that Saddam has been judiciously hanged by his peers, I for one an confidant that the whole Middle East situation will settle down and come round to our way of thinking"

which is the sort of thing GW would say if only he could string more than two words together.....

Aliantha · 12-30-2006, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

I'm sure the hundreds of thousands of people Saddam unceremoniously offed agree with you.

I don't think this is a good argument UT. For one thing, it can too easily be turned against you by citing other genocides which the US (and other western nations) have refused to enter into because they've had nothing to gain from it.

Also, killing him once doesn't really count for all the people who were killed under his regimen. To add to that, once he's gone, there'll just be another to take his place.

Killing the bad guys doesn't rid the world of evil.

Aliantha · 12-30-2006, 08:23 PM

You could be right though. Maybe the families of the victims are happy he's dead, but I'll bet you a million to one they'd have prefered to do it themselves.

Elspode · 12-30-2006, 08:41 PM

In a sense, they did do it themselves, as long as they accept and support the newly installed government. Could be a unifying factor on one hand, and the cause of new and more intense bloodshed on the other.

Undertoad · 12-30-2006, 08:47 PM

I don't care what America's interests are. In this case I speak as a earthling and a human. I'm against the death penalty. But there are some things I'm even more against.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halabja_poison_gas_attack

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Anfal_Campaign

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_shredder

12-30-2006, 09:49 AM	#181
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12-30-2006, 03:08 PM	#185
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12-30-2006, 05:55 PM	#186
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Some people view the hanging of this man as a legitimization of their efforts in the war they started in his country. It has been a failure. Nobody has been fooled - except the ones who've been wearing blinders from the start. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber Last edited by Aliantha; 12-30-2006 at 06:22 PM.

12-30-2006, 06:20 PM	#188
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Hmmm...I've just noticed my terrible grammar in my above post. I think I might go back and edit. Beestie, there's plenty of people who feel the same way you do also. As I stated at the begining of this thread, I disagree with the death penalty on principal, and in this case, I think it's been a pointless excercise anyway. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

12-30-2006, 12:21 PM	#183
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	I find the timing quite interesting. If the Iraqi 'state' is so interested in seeing justice done.....then why not postpone his execution to allow the continuation of the already opened trials he still faced?

12-30-2006, 06:59 PM	#189
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	I'm sure the hundreds of thousands of people Saddam unceremoniously offed agree with you.

12-30-2006, 07:40 PM	#190
Elspode When Do I Get Virtual Unreality? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Raytown, Missouri Posts: 12,719	Saddam was bad, m'kay? Now that we've done him in and avenged the many thousands who suffered under his iron fist, we need to figure out if we're going to be able to further help stabilize the region, or if our presence is just making it worse. These people have been killing each other for a long time. They aren't going to stop simply because we've set up a democratic government. Sooner or later, that government is going to have to go to work on its own. That probably won't happen as long as they have oil, though, huh? __________________ "To those of you who are wearing ties, I think my dad would appreciate it if you took them off." - Robert Moog

12-30-2006, 08:00 PM	#191
JayMcGee Cardigan-wearing man Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Much Binding In The Marsh Posts: 1,082	"Now that Saddam has been judiciously hanged by his peers, I for one an confidant that the whole Middle East situation will settle down and come round to our way of thinking" which is the sort of thing GW would say if only he could string more than two words together..... __________________ I like wearing cardigans...... my current favourite is an orange cable-knit with real leatherette buttons.

12-30-2006, 08:23 PM	#193
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	You could be right though. Maybe the families of the victims are happy he's dead, but I'll bet you a million to one they'd have prefered to do it themselves. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

12-30-2006, 08:41 PM	#194
Elspode When Do I Get Virtual Unreality? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Raytown, Missouri Posts: 12,719	In a sense, they did do it themselves, as long as they accept and support the newly installed government. Could be a unifying factor on one hand, and the cause of new and more intense bloodshed on the other. __________________ "To those of you who are wearing ties, I think my dad would appreciate it if you took them off." - Robert Moog

12-30-2006, 08:47 PM	#195
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	I don't care what America's interests are. In this case I speak as a earthling and a human. I'm against the death penalty. But there are some things I'm even more against. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halabja_poison_gas_attack http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Anfal_Campaign http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_shredder

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