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MaggieL · 01-14-2007, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha

Very pretty Maggie, but unfortunately, a load of bullshit. It was very clear what was intended.

OK. Since it was so clear, suppose you explain why

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They are both kept at my parents home so that there are no accidents.

...means the same thing as...

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They are both kept at my parents home so that there are no "accidents."

...since yesman065 claimed after the fact that the quote marks were neither ironic nor an error.

JayMcGee · 01-14-2007, 07:47 PM

ISTR a short story by Robert Heinlen which postulated just such a device. As the right-winger he was, I'm sure you wont be surprised that his viewpoint matched Maggies pretty much word for word.

piercehawkeye45 · 01-14-2007, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by MaggieL

You probably mean http://www.wickedlasers.com/

Yup that is it.

xoxoxoBruce · 01-14-2007, 08:45 PM

Pretty impressive but I wouldn't take one to a knife fight.

yesman065 · 01-14-2007, 10:09 PM

Ibby · 01-14-2007, 10:12 PM

I just have to say I will never understand why you people care so much about your weapons. You value your right to a gun above any other right you have, you would rather people take away your right to be treated equally, your right to fair treatment under the law, all your other rights given to you by the bill of rights, as long as amendment two doesnt get touched.

I will never, ever understand it.

yesman065 · 01-14-2007, 10:16 PM

Another lesson mostly lost in my and your generation - I touched on this in another thread, but many believe that their right to bear arms keeps them safe and prepared to defend themselves from tyranny or oppression. Those who cannot understand this agree with you. Then again there is the Switzerland principle.

Urbane Guerrilla · 01-15-2007, 05:51 AM

Ibram, the short answer is you won't have a mature nor complete understanding of it until you read Stephen P. Halbrook.

The long answer is the clear and engagingly written text of Halbrook's That Every Man Be Armed: the Evolution of a Constitutional Right. The man's no shifty propagandist; he's the Constitutional lawyer who gutted the Brady Law's more noxious provisions before the US Supreme Court. He's someone to respect and give ear to.

After all, it is the Second Amendment, and no other, that gives teeth to the First. Its intent, and indeed its rather unacknowledged effect, is to give teeth to all of them, Amendments and Constitution alike.

Meanwhile, you might peruse, online, the writing of Don B. Kates and David Kopel. These too are highly sensible men. But don't take my word for it; see for yourself and discuss it.

Ibby · 01-15-2007, 06:06 AM

Once again, the only truly important law that is not either dead or dying is the second. That is not right. An armed america without the first, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh, and eighth amendment... is still a dictatorship, a totalitarian regime that YOU, Urbane Guerrilla, support and helped establish. Which makes you no better than the red-bandannas in cambodia, or the general german public in the late thirties, or the Bolsheviks in russia. It is YOU that is an enemy of freedom and therefore mankind..

MaggieL · 01-15-2007, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Ibram

I just have to say I will never understand why you people care so much about your weapons. You value your right to a gun above any other right you have, you would rather people take away your right to be treated equally, your right to fair treatment under the law, all your other rights given to you by the bill of rights, as long as amendment two doesnt get touched.

That's quite a claim. What evidence do you have to support it?

It's also not clear to me why I should have to choose one right above another...if they are *all* my rights. "We'll support your other rights, but give up your right to defend yourself, since you can't proive you *need* it."

What is *that* about?

MaggieL · 01-15-2007, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Pretty impressive but I wouldn't take one to a knife fight.

Not really an effective wepon at all. But very cool for party tricks.

MaggieL · 01-15-2007, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

What are you playing, leapfrog? Try to keep it connected, from paragraph to paragraph, will you.

Those *are* connected. The idea that someone must prove a "legitimate purpose" to posess any particular device is what's way out there.

MaggieL · 01-15-2007, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by JayMcGee

ISTR a short story by Robert Heinlen which postulated just such a device. As the right-winger he was, I'm sure you wont be surprised that his viewpoint matched Maggies pretty much word for word.

Which device are you referring to?

In fact I'm a huge Heinlien fan. His personal political evolution is rather interesting; he didn't start out as what you dismiss as a "right-winger"--in fact he was quite liberal when young--but his life experience led him to the positions he espoused later.

JayMcGee · 01-15-2007, 07:09 PM

indeed so, Maggie.... as he aged, he became more and more right-wing, ending up as the literary equivalent of John Wayne.

The device I mentioned was a hand-held laser, from one of his short-stories. It may have been called 'the equliser' or 'the leveller'.

01-15-2007, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Ibram

I just have to say I will never understand why you people care so much about your weapons. You value your right to a gun above any other right you have, you would rather people take away your right to be treated equally, your right to fair treatment under the law, all your other rights given to you by the bill of rights, as long as amendment two doesnt get touched.

I will never, ever understand it.

I don't want any of my rights taken away and fight it as hard as I can.
So, what is next, after you get guns outlawed by legal citizens, tazers?

01-14-2007, 07:47 PM	#257
JayMcGee Cardigan-wearing man Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Much Binding In The Marsh Posts: 1,082	ISTR a short story by Robert Heinlen which postulated just such a device. As the right-winger he was, I'm sure you wont be surprised that his viewpoint matched Maggies pretty much word for word. __________________ I like wearing cardigans...... my current favourite is an orange cable-knit with real leatherette buttons.

01-14-2007, 08:45 PM	#259
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Pretty impressive but I wouldn't take one to a knife fight. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

01-14-2007, 10:12 PM	#261
Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	I just have to say I will never understand why you people care so much about your weapons. You value your right to a gun above any other right you have, you would rather people take away your right to be treated equally, your right to fair treatment under the law, all your other rights given to you by the bill of rights, as long as amendment two doesnt get touched. I will never, ever understand it. __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

01-15-2007, 05:51 AM	#263
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	Ibram, the short answer is you won't have a mature nor complete understanding of it until you read Stephen P. Halbrook. The long answer is the clear and engagingly written text of Halbrook's That Every Man Be Armed: the Evolution of a Constitutional Right. The man's no shifty propagandist; he's the Constitutional lawyer who gutted the Brady Law's more noxious provisions before the US Supreme Court. He's someone to respect and give ear to. After all, it is the Second Amendment, and no other, that gives teeth to the First. Its intent, and indeed its rather unacknowledged effect, is to give teeth to all of them, Amendments and Constitution alike. Meanwhile, you might peruse, online, the writing of Don B. Kates and David Kopel. These too are highly sensible men. But don't take my word for it; see for yourself and discuss it. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

01-15-2007, 06:06 AM	#264
Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	Once again, the only truly important law that is not either dead or dying is the second. That is not right. An armed america without the first, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh, and eighth amendment... is still a dictatorship, a totalitarian regime that YOU, Urbane Guerrilla, support and helped establish. Which makes you no better than the red-bandannas in cambodia, or the general german public in the late thirties, or the Bolsheviks in russia. It is YOU that is an enemy of freedom and therefore mankind.. __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

01-14-2007, 10:09 PM	#260
yesman065 Banned - Self Imposed Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,847

01-14-2007, 10:16 PM	#262
yesman065 Banned - Self Imposed Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,847	Another lesson mostly lost in my and your generation - I touched on this in another thread, but many believe that their right to bear arms keeps them safe and prepared to defend themselves from tyranny or oppression. Those who cannot understand this agree with you. Then again there is the Switzerland principle.

01-15-2007, 07:09 PM	#269
JayMcGee Cardigan-wearing man Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Much Binding In The Marsh Posts: 1,082	indeed so, Maggie.... as he aged, he became more and more right-wing, ending up as the literary equivalent of John Wayne. The device I mentioned was a hand-held laser, from one of his short-stories. It may have been called 'the equliser' or 'the leveller'. __________________ I like wearing cardigans...... my current favourite is an orange cable-knit with real leatherette buttons.

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