Student Religious Group That Discriminates Should Not Get Public Funding

[OnyxCougar]

A few years back I posted a thread proving that although the founding fathers of teh US were not necessarily Christian, they were at the least, diests that belived in a Creator god and a power and authority that came from that god.

The phrase regarding the separation between church and state is not in any legal documentation by the founding fathers, only in a letter to the Danbury Baptists, reassuring them that the US will never force it's citizens to comply with a governmental (state) religion, due to the constitutional freedoms afforded to them.

That being said, (you can search for and review that trhead at your leisure, I won't repost here, way too long) I think that if this religous group is discriminating against homosexuals or people of other religious affiliations, they shouldn't receive school funding.

However, all "men's" organizations (fraternities) or "women's" organizations (sororities) therefore shouldn't receive school funding, either. Nor should "black clubs" (NAACP) or "asian clubs" or any other ethnic club that excludes people of other races.


Fair is fair.

[deadbeater]

Originally Posted by OnyxCougar

However, all "men's" organizations (fraternities) or "women's" organizations (sororities) therefore shouldn't receive school funding, either. Nor should "black clubs" (NAACP) or "asian clubs" or any other ethnic club that excludes people of other races.


Fair is fair.

The NAACP does not disciminate against Whites being members.

Originally Posted by deadbeater

The NAACP does not disciminate against Whites being members.

Gee... being a white male (a minority and a color) I wonder how much jack I can get from them for a scholarship? Like the one I was passed over because of being white for someone with less of a GPA and no extracarricular...

As always:

Amendment 1 (1st for a reason)
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

In Article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli, an agreement signed between the United States and the Muslim region of North Africa in 1797 after negotiations concluded by George Washington (the document, which was approved by the Senate in accordance with Constitutional law, and then signed by John Adams), it states flatly, "The Government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion." signed by John Adams
"This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it!" John Adams

As to Jesus of Nazareth, my Opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the System of Morals and his Religion...has received various corrupting Changes, and I have, with most of the present dissenters in England, some doubts as to his Divinity; -Benjamin Franklin

"Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law" -Thomas Jefferson

As to Jesus of Nazareth, my Opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the System of Morals and his Religion...has received various corrupting Changes, and I have, with most of the present dissenters in England, some doubts as to his Divinity; tho' it is a question I do not dogmatize upon, having never studied it, and think it needless to busy myself with it now, when I expect soon an opportunity of knowing the Truth with less trouble." He died a month later, and historians consider him, like so many great Americans of his time, to be a Deist, not a Christian.
From: Benjamin Franklin, A Biography in his Own Words

"As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion"
John Adams April 27,1797

"The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe in blood for centuries"
"Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise."
"During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity, in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution." -James Madison fourth president and father of the Constitution

"Religion and government will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together." -James Madison

The words "one nation under God" were not added to the Pledge of allegiance until 1953

None of the 85 Federalist Papers written in support of the Constitution reference God, the Bible, religion or Christianity.

The words "in God we trust were not consistently added to all money until the 1950s after the McCarthy Era

James Madison, Jefferson's close friend and political ally, was just as vigorously opposed to religious intrusions into civil affairs as Jefferson was. In 1785, when the Commonwealth of Virginia was considering passage of a bill "establishing a provision for Teachers of the Christian Religion," Madison wrote his famous "Memorial and Remonstrance Against Religious Assessments" in which he presented fifteen reasons why government should not be come involved in the support of any religion.
The views of Madison and Jefferson prevailed in the Virginia Assembly

Jesus even said it:
Mark 12:17
And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. And they marvelled at him.

Matthew 22:21
They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.

Luke 20:25
And he said unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which be Caesar's, and unto God the things which be God's.

"The most detestable wickedness, the most horrid cruelties, and the greatest miseries that have afflicted the human race have had their origin in this thing called revelation, or revealed religion." -Thomas Paine

The Bill of Rights to the U.S. Constitution was ratified on December 15, 1791
“Censorship reflects a society’s lack of confidence in itself. It is a hallmark of an authoritarian regime . . . .” - Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart, dissenting Ginzberg v. United States, 383 U.S. 463 (1966)

“The very purpose of a Bill of Rights was to withdraw certain subjects from the vicissitudes of political controversy, to place them beyond the reach of majorities and officials and to establish them as legal principles to be applied by the courts. One’s right to life, liberty, and property, to free speech, a free press, freedom of worship and assembly, and other fundamental rights may not be submitted to vote; they depend on the outcome of no elections.” - Supreme Court Justice Robert Jackson, West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette, 319 U.S. 624 (1943)

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by deadbeater

The NAACP does not disciminate against Whites being members.

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

Gee... being a white male (a minority and a color) I wonder how much jack I can get from them for a scholarship? Like the one I was passed over because of being white for someone with less of a GPA and no extracarricular...

You applied to the NAACP for a scholarship?

[wolf]

Originally Posted by deadbeater

The NAACP does not disciminate against Whites being members.

Course not. White liberal guilt is responsible for most of their funding.

Anybody here seen a Black Student Union with White Members?

[Trilby]

Originally Posted by wolf

Anybody here seen a Black Student Union with White Members?

Nope. Where is my White Student Union? Where is my Irish History Month? Where is my Dayton Alliance of White Business Owners? Hey, if you wanna be equal and all, drop the Special Pleading shite and join the rest of us nobodies.

[monster]

Originally Posted by wolf

Anybody here seen a Black Student Union with White Members?

Ours does. Of course it's only K-8, they are young yet...