The Soul of Man Under Socialism

[Sundae]

I believe that humans are naturally greedy - nature supports this.

But I don't believe that contributing to society, to community is theft. I don't believe in extreme forms of socialism, where people are not left with any benefits from their own work. But I also do not believe that leaving those incapable (for whatever reason) to support themselves in conditions of squalour (in developed countries) or to die (in undeveloped countries) is theft.

I have no religion and I'm quite hard when it comes to the sanctity of human life, but I believe people should be given a living chance. I believe in charity, but I also believe people should sometimes be obliged to give for the greater good. I think many posters here will disagree fundemantally.

In a trite analogy - I haven't paid UT a penny since coming here. But I have £20 ($40) which comes out of my bank account every payday to Save the Children and Help the Aged. I also give spare change to any charity around when I have it (have mentioned before, was brought up on the Gospel of St Matthew).

I'm not suggesting UT is a charitable cause, but he wasn't in my face. I've benefited from his community without contributing. I will in future. That's not theft. I appreciate it's not set up in a socialist way (enter your salary, we will bill your card the appropriate amount). But neither is it capitalist - which is a world which wants to exclude people like me who are basically honest, but pure dreadful with money.

Originally Posted by Sundae Girl

I believe that humans are naturally greedy - nature supports this.

But I don't believe that contributing to society, to community is theft. I don't believe in extreme forms of socialism, where people are not left with any benefits from their own work. But I also do not believe that leaving those incapable (for whatever reason) to support themselves in conditions of squalour (in developed countries) or to die (in undeveloped countries) is theft.

I have no religion and I'm quite hard when it comes to the sanctity of human life, but I believe people should be given a living chance. I believe in charity, but I also believe people should sometimes be obliged to give for the greater good. I think many posters here will disagree fundemantally.

In a trite analogy - I haven't paid UT a penny since coming here. But I have £20 ($40) which comes out of my bank account every payday to Save the Children and Help the Aged. I also give spare change to any charity around when I have it (have mentioned before, was brought up on the Gospel of St Matthew).

I'm not suggesting UT is a charitable cause, but he wasn't in my face. I've benefited from his community without contributing. I will in future. That's not theft. I appreciate it's not set up in a socialist way (enter your salary, we will bill your card the appropriate amount). But neither is it capitalist - which is a world which wants to exclude people like me who are basically honest, but pure dreadful with money.

No, forced contribution is theft. Charity is not.
Science, and just looking around, shows that we are not naturally greedy. If that were so, all would just be chaos. We take care of each other far more than the opposite.
I wish to pay UT and plan to soon. This is not a charity by any stretch of the imagination, we USE this site, we GAIN from it. That it is voluntary in no way suggests that it is charitable.