My Idea = Add 'banishment' to prison sentences. - Page 2

Aliantha · 03-04-2007, 06:14 PM

Wasn't this idea already given a trial run on Alcatraz? Not exactly the same thing, but still, it was putting prisoners on an island away from society.

lumberjim · 03-04-2007, 07:21 PM

the island prison was for maximum security. this has been tried...but it was Australia, not Alcatraz.

Aliantha · 03-04-2007, 07:26 PM

I think they tried it with you lot first.

Clodfobble · 03-04-2007, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha

I think they tried it with you lot first.

Only in the state of Georgia, and unfortunately for us they keep escaping.

cowhead · 03-05-2007, 02:19 PM

well.. letting the prisoners out to clean the highways might seem like a good idea for cheap labour.. but.. who hasn't seen movies where they escape in that situation?

xoxoxoBruce · 03-07-2007, 07:51 PM

And sweat, you've seen Cool Hand Luke, sweat a lot.

Cloud · 03-07-2007, 08:00 PM

I think they tried that once.

It was called Australia.

BTW, I highly recommend the book, "The Fatal Shore" by Robert Hughes on that subject.

Aliantha · 03-07-2007, 09:52 PM

“Convicts were sent to nine of the American settlements. According to one estimate, about 2000 had been sent for many years annually. Dr. Lang, after comparing various estimates, concludes that the number sent might be about 50,000 altogether.”1 Again, in the Encyclopædia Britannica, under the article “Botany Bay,” we read: “On the revolt of the New England colonies, the convict establishments in America were no longer available, and so the attention of the British government was turned to Botany Bay, and in 1787 a penal settlement was formed there.”

I'm not sure why people keep denying the fact that convicts were originally sent to America. Is this a sore point with you people or what?

To me, it's simply a historical fact.

wolf · 03-08-2007, 02:37 AM

Show of hands ... who else had a flashback of Mr. Chekov repeating, "Botany Bay, Botany Bay?"

My name is wolf, and I am a geek.

xoxoxoBruce · 03-08-2007, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha

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I'm not sure why people keep denying the fact that convicts were originally sent to America. Is this a sore point with you people or what?

To me, it's simply a historical fact.

Because it's not true. Jusus Christ, don't you bother to read your own links.

Aliantha · 03-08-2007, 05:47 PM

Yes I read my own links.

This exerpt from further down the page.

It seems well established that some political convicts had been introduced into Virginia in the time of Charles II. Thus Bruce relates (I. 611) that in 1678, when the uprising in Scotland had been suppressed, a considerable proportion of the prisoners were shipped to America.

Why do you have such a problem accepting that America was at least in part, a penal colony for the British in the begining?

Aliantha · 03-08-2007, 05:56 PM

From this link

Do you need more? There's plenty out there. Just google the phrase 'British Convicts Sent to America'

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Aliantha · 03-09-2007, 12:01 AM

And this from wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penal_transportation

Transportation or penal transportation is used to refer to the deporting of convicted criminals to a penal colony, for example to colonies in the United States of America from 1620s to 1770s and Australia in the early 1800s by the United Kingdom (then includingIreland). It can also be used generally to describe such activities.

xoxoxoBruce · 03-09-2007, 12:06 AM

Prisoners of war, rebels, and indentured servants are not criminals.

Aliantha · 03-09-2007, 12:12 AM

Bruce, I'm just finding it difficult to believe that the history you lot are taught is different to that of anyone else in the world.

There are clearly plenty of references that state the fact that common criminals sentenced through the courts of England were sent to America as convicts.

As far as the definition of indentured servants goes, that's what most of the convicts that were sent here were officially called. Very few of them were sentanced for the term of their natural lives. Mostly 7yrs or there abouts. After that time they were free to do whatever they chose with whatever means they had available.

What's wrong with admitting your country was also the destination of convicts?

03-04-2007, 06:14 PM	#16
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Wasn't this idea already given a trial run on Alcatraz? Not exactly the same thing, but still, it was putting prisoners on an island away from society. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

03-04-2007, 07:21 PM	#17
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	the island prison was for maximum security. this has been tried...but it was Australia, not Alcatraz. __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

03-04-2007, 07:26 PM	#18
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	I think they tried it with you lot first. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

03-05-2007, 02:19 PM	#20
cowhead halve your cake and eat it too. Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Georgia.. by way of Lawrence Kansas Posts: 1,359	well.. letting the prisoners out to clean the highways might seem like a good idea for cheap labour.. but.. who hasn't seen movies where they escape in that situation? __________________ no my child.. this is not my desire..I'm digging for fire.

03-07-2007, 07:51 PM	#21
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	And sweat, you've seen Cool Hand Luke, sweat a lot. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

03-07-2007, 08:00 PM	#22
Cloud ... Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,360	I think they tried that once. It was called Australia. BTW, I highly recommend the book, "The Fatal Shore" by Robert Hughes on that subject. __________________ "Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards!"

03-07-2007, 09:52 PM	#23
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	“Convicts were sent to nine of the American settlements. According to one estimate, about 2000 had been sent for many years annually. Dr. Lang, after comparing various estimates, concludes that the number sent might be about 50,000 altogether.”1 Again, in the Encyclopædia Britannica, under the article “Botany Bay,” we read: “On the revolt of the New England colonies, the convict establishments in America were no longer available, and so the attention of the British government was turned to Botany Bay, and in 1787 a penal settlement was formed there.” I'm not sure why people keep denying the fact that convicts were originally sent to America. Is this a sore point with you people or what? To me, it's simply a historical fact. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

03-08-2007, 02:37 AM	#24
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	Show of hands ... who else had a flashback of Mr. Chekov repeating, "Botany Bay, Botany Bay?" My name is wolf, and I am a geek. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

03-08-2007, 05:47 PM	#26
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Yes I read my own links. This exerpt from further down the page. It seems well established that some political convicts had been introduced into Virginia in the time of Charles II. Thus Bruce relates (I. 611) that in 1678, when the uprising in Scotland had been suppressed, a considerable proportion of the prisoners were shipped to America. Why do you have such a problem accepting that America was at least in part, a penal colony for the British in the begining? __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

03-08-2007, 05:56 PM	#27
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	From this link Do you need more? There's plenty out there. Just google the phrase 'British Convicts Sent to America' __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

03-09-2007, 12:01 AM	#28
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	And this from wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penal_transportation Transportation or penal transportation is used to refer to the deporting of convicted criminals to a penal colony, for example to colonies in the United States of America from 1620s to 1770s and Australia in the early 1800s by the United Kingdom (then includingIreland). It can also be used generally to describe such activities. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

03-09-2007, 12:06 AM	#29
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Prisoners of war, rebels, and indentured servants are not criminals. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

03-09-2007, 12:12 AM	#30
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Bruce, I'm just finding it difficult to believe that the history you lot are taught is different to that of anyone else in the world. There are clearly plenty of references that state the fact that common criminals sentenced through the courts of England were sent to America as convicts. As far as the definition of indentured servants goes, that's what most of the convicts that were sent here were officially called. Very few of them were sentanced for the term of their natural lives. Mostly 7yrs or there abouts. After that time they were free to do whatever they chose with whatever means they had available. What's wrong with admitting your country was also the destination of convicts? __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

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