Sick of "Hate Crime" Being Used

[Trilby]

Not all crime is hate crime. If I steal a loaf of bread from KwikiMart because my child is starving--is that a hate crime?

Also--If BillyBob is kewl with his bro's spittin' terbaccy in the lane but kills Abdul for spittin' terbaccy in the lane--just think. If his name wasn't Adbul--would BillyBob have iced him?

[Flint]

Originally Posted by Brianna

... Also--If BillyBob is kewl with his bro's spittin' terbaccy in the lane but kills Abdul for spittin' terbaccy in the lane--just think. If his name wasn't Adbul--would BillyBob have iced him?

Another hypothetical: Billy Bob is very jealous and posessive of his wife. He sees another man, of his same racial identity, talking to her outside the grocery store, and becomes enraged! He beats the dude to death. Is that "better" or "worse" than your example? What if Billy Bob shoots somebody for looking at him wrong? Is it a more acceptable murder if he shoots another white guy for no reason?

Originally Posted by Brianna

Not all crime is hate crime. If I steal a loaf of bread from KwikiMart because my child is starving--is that a hate crime?

Also--If BillyBob is kewl with his bro's spittin' terbaccy in the lane but kills Abdul for spittin' terbaccy in the lane--just think. If his name wasn't Adbul--would BillyBob have iced him?

You are kidding right? You really cannot think for yourself enough to understand that I was talking about human on human crime since it is the paradigm of the type of crime defined by hate crimes?
Then, I'm sorry I did not spell that out for you.

[monster]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

You are kidding right? You really cannot think for yourself enough to understand that I was talking about human on human crime since it is the paradigm of the type of crime defined by hate crimes?
Then, I'm sorry I did not spell that out for you.

Wasn't obvious to me either and I believe I am able to think for myself.

Where does one draw the line between "human on human" crime and other crime? Theft and burglary are not necessarily violent crimes, but they are crimes against people and there are gangs/individuals who will pick the store they shoplift or house they burgle by the race of the owners, so that would surely make those thefts "hate crime"? Don't people instinctively feel those people need to be punished more harshly than the hungry guy who steals food from the store because he needs to eat? Of course the crimes are the same, but the motives are different. Is motive really so irrelevant? Wouldn't the shopkeeper feel more violated in one case than in the other?

Just thinking aloud, really.....

[skysidhe]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

You are kidding right? You really cannot think for yourself enough to understand that I was talking about human on human crime since it is the paradigm of the type of crime defined by hate crimes?
Then, I'm sorry I did not spell that out for you.

I think she did RK. For Bri's example she used names like 'Billybob' and 'Abdul'.
I think that speak volumes about stereotypes.



(Thinking out loud. *Anyone who names their kid Billybob should be charged with a hate crime*:P)