My Idea = Add 'banishment' to prison sentences.

glatt · 03-15-2007, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Show me where there was a penal colony in what is now the US. I have never heard of one and don't think there was one. Prove me wrong.

I was taught in junior high school that Georgia was founded as a penal colony. Wikipedia says so too.

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Originally Posted by Wikipedia

Most notably, the Province of Georgia was originally designed as a penal colony. Convicts would be transported by private sector merchants and auctioned off to plantation owners upon arrival in the colonies. It is estimated that some 60,000 British convicts were banished to colonial America, representing perhaps one-quarter of all British emigrants during the eighteenth century.

Is your disagreement based on the definition of "Penal Colony?" According to this site, the convicts settling Georgia were all debtors.

xoxoxoBruce · 03-15-2007, 12:22 PM

Yes, the definitions in post 44.
We had none here than I know of.

glatt · 03-15-2007, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Yes, the definitions in post 44.
We had none here than I know of.

OK. Well, do you agree that convicts came from overcrowded debtor prisons in England and were auctioned off to plantation owners in Georgia to do hard labor as mentioned in the wikipedia article I quoted?

xoxoxoBruce · 03-15-2007, 12:58 PM

Yes, I said so several times. In England anyone not obviously useful was at risk of being tossed out. But it costs money to ship people across the ocean, and they couldn't make the people pay because if they had the fare they probably wouldn't be thrown out. The solution, sentence them to indentured servitude, usually for seven years, but it varied.

Then they would sell the contracts to sea captains who in turn would sell them to people for enough to cover what they paid, plus passage, and a profit, if possible. Very clever scheme to get you to pay for your own deportation plus profits for several, with your future.

glatt · 03-15-2007, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Yes

Alright. Then, I got no beef with you.

xoxoxoBruce · 03-17-2007, 04:49 PM

Nor I, with anyone.

richlevy · 03-17-2007, 07:28 PM

You know, banishment might serve a purpose. In the case of a powerful defendant, it could provide a way to avoid a costly and divisive trial.

Maybe instead of a pardon, the next administration will offer GWB and Cheney a plane ticket. Of course, the next question is what country will take them, but I'm pretty sure Dubai would. It's welcoming Haliburton, so this would be a natural extension.

Just image a state dinner in the palace with the host at the head of the table, GWB and Cheney on his left, and Michael Jackson on his right.

BTW, historically speaking, England sent convicts to Australia, debtors and politicals to America, and bastards to Canada.

03-15-2007, 12:22 PM	#2
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Yes, the definitions in post 44. We had none here than I know of. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

03-15-2007, 12:58 PM	#4
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Yes, I said so several times. In England anyone not obviously useful was at risk of being tossed out. But it costs money to ship people across the ocean, and they couldn't make the people pay because if they had the fare they probably wouldn't be thrown out. The solution, sentence them to indentured servitude, usually for seven years, but it varied. Then they would sell the contracts to sea captains who in turn would sell them to people for enough to cover what they paid, plus passage, and a profit, if possible. Very clever scheme to get you to pay for your own deportation plus profits for several, with your future. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

03-17-2007, 04:49 PM	#6
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Nor I, with anyone. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

03-17-2007, 07:28 PM	#7
richlevy King Of Wishful Thinking Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Philadelphia Suburbs Posts: 6,669	You know, banishment might serve a purpose. In the case of a powerful defendant, it could provide a way to avoid a costly and divisive trial. Maybe instead of a pardon, the next administration will offer GWB and Cheney a plane ticket. Of course, the next question is what country will take them, but I'm pretty sure Dubai would. It's welcoming Haliburton, so this would be a natural extension. Just image a state dinner in the palace with the host at the head of the table, GWB and Cheney on his left, and Michael Jackson on his right. BTW, historically speaking, England sent convicts to Australia, debtors and politicals to America, and bastards to Canada. __________________ Exercise your rights and remember your obligations - VOTE! I have always believed that hope is that stubborn thing inside us that insists, despite all the evidence to the contrary, that something better awaits us so long as we have the courage to keep reaching, to keep working, to keep fighting. -- Barack Hussein Obama

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