The Legislative Branch has no oversight responsibility over the White House.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

snip~ But he is not always responsible for the idiots under him.

The fuck he's not. He picked 'em and he's most certainly responsible for their and the rest of his administrations actions. Especially when this shit becomes public knowlege and he does nothing about it.

If a few soldiers go nuts the General is most definitely responsible and if he does not correct the situation, he's going down.... especially if he tries to keep it a secret. That football player that got fragged by his own men is the perfect example of Generals going down.......4, IIRC.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

If a few soldiers go nuts the General is most definitely responsible and if he does not correct the situation, he's going down.... especially if he tries to keep it a secret. That football player that got fragged by his own men is the perfect example of Generals going down.......4, IIRC.

That is because they proved that the generals had known about the event and were part of the supression of the truth. They should go down. In the other cases you can't prove that, so no they were not sacked.

Do you think it was fair to sack the coach of the Lacrosse team at Duke on the now totally unfounded charges of rape on the 4 players? When and where does personal responsibility start and whole scale slaughter of an organization end because of the actions of a few? Our country has a huge problem with personal responsibility, it is always someone elses fault.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Our country has a huge problem with personal responsibility, it is always someone elses fault.

That's Bush's claim at least.

[Beestie]

The FBI which couldn't figure out how to stop 22 known Islamic radicals even after their presence and intentions were repeatedly brought to their attention NOW all the sudden can't stick their collective noses far enough up Joe American's ass as seen here and here.

And this and this and this is what's going on in attorney general Torquemada's office.

Nah, we got nuttin to worry about right, Mercenary? The next lucky bastard who gets shipped off on an all-expense paid year-long trip to the glorious Syrian penal system for some much needed "dental work" could be you.

[Griff]

Three years ago, I received a national security letter (NSL) in my capacity as the president of a small Internet access and consulting business. The letter ordered me to provide sensitive information about one of my clients. There was no indication that a judge had reviewed or approved the letter, and it turned out that none had. The letter came with a gag provision that prohibited me from telling anyone, including my client, that the FBI was seeking this information. Based on the context of the demand -- a context that the FBI still won't let me discuss publicly -- I suspected that the FBI was abusing its power and that the letter sought information to which the FBI was not entitled.

Rather than turn over the information, I contacted lawyers at the American Civil Liberties Union, and in April 2004 I filed a lawsuit challenging the constitutionality of the NSL power. I never released the information the FBI sought, and last November the FBI decided that it no longer needs the information anyway. But the FBI still hasn't abandoned the gag order that prevents me from disclosing my experience and concerns with the law or the national security letter that was served on my company. In fact, the government will return to court in the next few weeks to defend the gag orders that are imposed on recipients of these letters

Wow. Just friggin wow. Pretty hard to bring public pressure to bear, when they do this to you.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Beestie

The FBI which couldn't figure out how to stop 22 known Islamic radicals even after their presence and intentions were repeatedly brought to their attention NOW all the sudden can't stick their collective noses far enough up Joe American's ass as seen here and here.

If you think that the situation was a simple ID by certain groups around the US and the world you are deluded. But thanks to a previous administration the agencies were prevented from talking to each other and sharing that info. Luckily we now have The Patriot Act which fixed some of those problems.

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

... But thanks to a previous administration the agencies were prevented from talking to each other and sharing that info...

I think that was Reagan, IIRC.