Shooting at Virginia Tech

[Kitsune]

Originally Posted by Shawnee123

You don't singlehandedly kill 32 people armed with only sticks and rocks.

Nope. Fertilizer, fuel oil, and a rental truck do a much better job.

(is this really the time to go into a gun control debate?)

[Shawnee123]

Originally Posted by Kitsune

Nope. Fertilizer, fuel oil, and a rental truck do a much better job.

(is this really the time to go into a gun control debate?)

I was just taking my opportunity when it arose. I certainly don't want to debate anyone, because I know how that goes here in the cellar, but it seems to me that a mass shooting is the PERFECT time to debate guns....I mean, after all, shootings are accomplished with (wait for it...) guns, are they not?

Sheesh.

[Kitsune]

Originally Posted by Shawnee123

but it seems to me that a mass shooting is the PERFECT time to debate guns.

Oh fine, fine.

Why is the knee-jerk reaction in these situations to render people defenseless instead of the other way around?

[Shawnee123]

I'm a knee-jerk kind of girl.

Seriously, I do see what you are saying about the other way around. It's reality whether I like it or not. If I had my druthers...but I don't.

I know we all agree it's a horrible tragedy, and I'll stop there before I say something really stupid!

Peace to all.

[Bullitt]

Just because you own a gun, does not mean you know what the hell to do during a shoot out.

Originally Posted by Bullitt

Just because you own a gun, does not mean you know what the hell to do during a shoot out.

You point the gun at the bad-guy and pull the fucking trigger.
Whew, that sure was hard!

[Kitsune]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

You point the gun at the bad-guy and pull the fucking trigger.
Whew, that sure was hard!

You don't consider this even slightly over simplified? You're telling me that when they hand a guard, police officer, or solider a gun they could do nothing more than simply include the instructions "1. Point at bad guy. 2. Pull Trigger"? There's nothing more to it than that? No emotional aspects, no panic control, no training on how to handle high pressure life and death situations, no efforts required to concentrate as people around you lay bleeding to death? "Mental clarity" is not how even the most experienced officer would describe their thoughts during something like the VT situation and it completely evaporates in people who are going about their everyday business and are suddenly thrown into shock by events that they come closest to only in the worst of nightmares and cheap Jerry Bruckheimer flicks.

Just "pull the fucking trigger". Right.

Sadly enough, my CCW test didn't even go that far. It included absolutely nothing more than "show me how to make the weapon safe". Drop magazine, lock open the slide, check chamber, lay on counter. "You passed, you're done, go enjoy the range." That, plus a photograph, a money order, and 90 days does not make one ready for situations even remotely similar to what happened yesterday.

[wolf]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

You point the gun at the bad-guy and pull the fucking trigger.
Whew, that sure was hard!

Really? Where are you, where is the bad guy, what's behind him and the wall behind him, do you have cover or concealment, are you really in mortal danger as defined by your state, did you retreat sufficiently to satisfy the law, he's not retreating is he, did you leave the coffee pot on, where's your son, is he in the ball pit behind the guy, is that a gun or a wallet in his hand, is he alone or does he have other people working with him, who is behind you, can you draw without getting his attention and allowing him to shoot first, you're under pressure and you have less than 2 seconds to make a decision and it has to be exactly the right one

Originally Posted by duck_duck

They said on the news this morning that he left a note expressing anger towards rich people.

Damn Commie.

[SadistSecret]

We're not really that violent, it's just oversensationalized in the media because that's what sells. It's never about the actual news anymore, it's about getting the all day coverage on something that makes everyone go "OH MY GOD/S!". News Companies, at the top levels, don't really care what is on the news, as long as it'll stop every dumbass between Maine and Hawaii so they can watch how 30-some odd people got shot today, or how some celebrity did this or that, all to make a quick buck. I suppose it's a bit cold of me to say that I really don't care about what happened in VA the other day, but I actually don't. I care most about what happens where *I* live.

It's all a big ratings contest, and that's why you see so much drugs, sex, violence, and Oprah on TV these days. All I see on the news are stories about the "war", or some sad sack story that's supposed to make you cry. They can wrap up their story on the 6:00 News, and be done with it, and that's what they should be doing, not bulletizing every little detail for an event that is happening halfway (For me, in Iowa, it's about half) across the country, because I really don't care. It doesn't change my life significantly that some guy came to a uni and shot 30 people.

So, don't go saying the USA is incredibly violent, just because that's what you see on TV. To hell with Big News corporations. There's a reason I read the small paper instead of the big one.

[freshnesschronic]

Originally Posted by SadistSecret

We're not really that violent, it's just oversensationalized in the media because that's what sells. It's never about the actual news anymore, it's about getting the all day coverage on something that makes everyone go "OH MY GOD/S!". News Companies, at the top levels, don't really care what is on the news, as long as it'll stop every dumbass between Maine and Hawaii so they can watch how 30-some odd people got shot today, or how some celebrity did this or that, all to make a quick buck. I suppose it's a bit cold of me to say that I really don't care about what happened in VA the other day, but I actually don't. I care most about what happens where *I* live.

It's all a big ratings contest, and that's why you see so much drugs, sex, violence, and Oprah on TV these days. All I see on the news are stories about the "war", or some sad sack story that's supposed to make you cry. They can wrap up their story on the 6:00 News, and be done with it, and that's what they should be doing, not bulletizing every little detail for an event that is happening halfway (For me, in Iowa, it's about half) across the country, because I really don't care. It doesn't change my life significantly that some guy came to a uni and shot 30 people.

So, don't go saying the USA is incredibly violent, just because that's what you see on TV. To hell with Big News corporations. There's a reason I read the small paper instead of the big one.

SEE I BEEN TRYIN TO TELL THIS GIRL BUT SHE DON'T LISTEN GAHHHHHHHHHH US NEWS IS ALL ABOUT DAT!

[duck_duck]

Originally Posted by SadistSecret

We're not really that violent, it's just oversensationalized in the media because that's what sells. It's never about the actual news anymore, it's about getting the all day coverage on something that makes everyone go "OH MY GOD/S!". News Companies, at the top levels, don't really care what is on the news, as long as it'll stop every dumbass between Maine and Hawaii so they can watch how 30-some odd people got shot today, or how some celebrity did this or that, all to make a quick buck. I suppose it's a bit cold of me to say that I really don't care about what happened in VA the other day, but I actually don't. I care most about what happens where *I* live.

It's all a big ratings contest, and that's why you see so much drugs, sex, violence, and Oprah on TV these days. All I see on the news are stories about the "war", or some sad sack story that's supposed to make you cry. They can wrap up their story on the 6:00 News, and be done with it, and that's what they should be doing, not bulletizing every little detail for an event that is happening halfway (For me, in Iowa, it's about half) across the country, because I really don't care. It doesn't change my life significantly that some guy came to a uni and shot 30 people.

So, don't go saying the USA is incredibly violent, just because that's what you see on TV. To hell with Big News corporations. There's a reason I read the small paper instead of the big one.

So if I look up police statistics on crime then I can assume that is just sensationalism too?