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[freshnesschronic]

Originally Posted by duck_duck

There is nothing biased about it at all. It's just reality. I'm from hong kong and when I moved to america I could see right away how bad the crime is. All one has to do is sit and watch the local and national news.

You obviously don't know how American news works. These stories make networks. It's not like China where the government HIDES all their scandals and dirty laundered money. Not to mention communist gov't and how they "intervene" with people who don't believe in what they want. You want to talk about violence? How many police beatings happen A DAY in China, to civilians? I have mannnnnny Chinese friends. I know what happens there. They visit China so I get the stories. Maybe in your utopia of Hong Kong there is no violence (shyeah right, Triads anyone?) but here in America there is freedom of PRESS where stories are heard, especially the BAD ones that make networks get coverage. Please keep your American bashing to yourself before you know the whole deal with this country.

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by freshnesschronic

You obviously don't know how American news works. These stories make networks. It's not like China where the government HIDES all their scandals and dirty laundered money.

You would be suprised on how much the US hides.

[freshnesschronic]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

You would be suprised on how much the US hides.

A significant amount less than China.
Who are we kidding. My friend went there on a missionary trip and heard the nighlty police beatings of civilians in the village. Nightly! I don't think that was in the newspaper the next morning.

[duck_duck]

Originally Posted by freshnesschronic

You obviously don't know how American news works. These stories make networks. It's not like China where the government HIDES all their scandals and dirty laundered money. Not too mention communist gov't and how they "intervene" with people who don't believe in what they want. You want to talk about violence? How many police beatings happen A DAY in China? I have mannnnnny Chinese friends. I know what happens there. They visit China so I get the stories. Maybe in your utopia of Hong Kong there is no violence (shyeah right, Triads anyone?) but here in America there is freedom of PRESS where stories are heard, especially the BAD ones that make networks get coverage. Please keep your American bashing to yourself before you know the whole deal with this country.

I can't speak for mainland china because I have never lived there, I can only compare hong kong to america. In fact you can compare any major american city to hong kong sar and you will see the violence in the american city much more higher. And of course there is violence in hong kong, there is no such place on earth where people live that there is no violence. But the crime in hong kong, especially violent crime, is extremely low compared to america and hong kong is one of the freest places in the world to live. So tell me what is hong kong doing right and america doing wrong?

[freshnesschronic]

Originally Posted by duck_duck

I can't speak for mainland china because I have never lived there, I can only compare hong kong to america. In fact you can compare any major american city to hong kong sar and you will see the violence in the american city much more higher. And of course there is violence in hong kong, there is no such place on earth where people live that there is no violence. But the crime in hong kong, especially violent crime, is extremely low compared to america and hong kong is one of the freest places in the world to live. So tell me what is hong kong doing right and america doing wrong?

Show me the stats, I refuse to degrade American cities based on a 16 year olds opinion. Are you one of those rich fobs who has never seen violence and wear aeropostle and american eagle because it looks really American? I know because I know what fobs at my university are like. I don't think you know a thing about American cities. I'm from Chicago and have been to NYC, Los Angeles, Seattle, San Francisco, Orlando, Miami and Atlanta. Please don't try to act like you know all about "major american cities." And you didn't even address what I said about American press. Since you didn't say anything I'll assume Hong Kong people are all out of the know. Well it's different here.

[duck_duck]

Originally Posted by freshnesschronic

Show me the stats, I refuse to degrade American cities based on a 16 year olds opinion. Are you one of those rich fobs who has never seen violence and wear aeropostle and american eagle because it looks really American?

Ok I'm not sure what any of this means but here are your statistics. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...by_murder_rate

Originally Posted by freshnesschronic

I know because I know what fobs at my university are like. I don't think you know a thing about American cities. I'm from Chicago and have been to NYC, Los Angeles, Seattle, San Francisco, Orlando, Miami and Atlanta. Please don't try to act like you know all about "major american cities." And you didn't even address what I said about American press. Since you didn't say anything I'll assume Hong Kong people are all out of the know. Well it's different here.

What about the american press? Hong kong has free press too. If there is a murder it will be reported just like in america so I don't see your point.
If you think I'm just america bashing then take the crime rate of your favorite american city and compare it to hong kong and see what you find. See what the comparison in murder, rape, armed robbery, kidnapping is. Maybe you should pay attention to what goes on in your country instead of letting pride color your opinion.

"Hong Kong SAR has a low crime rate. Travelers should exercise caution when in congested areas and pay particular attention to personal belongings while in crowded markets and while traveling on public transportation. Violent crime, though rare, does occur."
http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_p.../cis_1136.html

That is from your own state department regarding hong kong. Can you honestly say violent crime is rare in any major american city?

[freshnesschronic]

Originally Posted by duck_duck

Ok I'm not sure what any of this means but here are your statistics. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...by_murder_rate

Then why are you telling me this. I'm throwing it out the window if you can't explain it.

Originally Posted by duck_duck

"Hong Kong SAR has a low crime rate. Travelers should exercise caution when in congested areas and pay particular attention to personal belongings while in crowded markets and while traveling on public transportation. Violent crime, though rare, does occur."
http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_p.../cis_1136.html

That is from your own state department regarding hong kong. Can you honestly say violent crime is rare in any major american city?

Um, did you read the terrorist report as well? Listen, Hong Kong may resemble Singapore or Tokyo but I still will not degrade American cities. You can't just come and say we are the most violent country in the world. And plus your wikipedia bullshit you can't even comprehend. Therefore I'm done arguing with someone who doesn't know stuff about American cities, which is what I am talking about, not Hong Kong. You have not spent enough time in America to know what it's about. Save your judgements before you call us criminals. Violence happens everywhere and I refuse to believe it is this rampant bullshit that you say. I KNOW American cities, you do not. Do not judge something before you experience it.

[duck_duck]

Originally Posted by freshnesschronic

Then why are you telling me this. I'm throwing it out the window if you can't explain it.




Um, did you read the terrorist report as well? Listen, Hong Kong may resemble Singapore or Tokyo but I still will not degrade American cities. You can't just come and say we are the most violent country in the world. And plus your wikipedia bullshit you can't even comprehend. Therefore I'm done arguing with someone who doesn't know stuff about American cities, which is what I am talking about, not Hong Kong. You have not spent enough time in America to know what it's about. Save your judgements before you call us criminals. Violence happens everywhere and I refuse to believe it is this rampant bullshit that you say. I KNOW American cities, you do not. Do not judge something before you experience it.

Ok try paying attention. The part where I said i didn't know what any of this means was in reference to your statement I highlighted in bold which was this.

Originally Posted by freshnesschronic

Are you one of those rich fobs who has never seen violence and wear aeropostle and american eagle because it looks really American?

Also I not once said america was the most violent nation in the world.

[freshnesschronic]

Originally Posted by duck_duck

Ok try paying attention. The part where I said i didn't know what any of this means was in reference to your statement I highlighted in bold which was this.

Also I not once said america was the most violent nation in the world.

Your original post, all I see in America is violence, it's rampant. That's where I disagree. You make it seem like all US news is about criminal acts and violence and that's what you think of the country as. The violence makes the news of course, but it doesn't mean we are all about violence. It is not rampant, we do not have massacres everyday, every month, every year. American cities are not about killing and violence. I will never believe violence is "rampant" in American cities.

rampant -
1. violent in action or spirit; raging; furious: a rampant leopard.
2. growing luxuriantly, as weeds.
3. in full sway; prevailing or unchecked: a rampant rumor.

It is not growing, it is not unchecked. Just because we have violence does not mean the USA does nothing about it. So for you to call it "rampant" is false. I'm from Chicago and when I think of the Windy City crime is not the first thing that comes to mind, not at all. It (and many and most American cities) has a lot more positive than negative aspects to it. Sure go ahead and tell me about Al Capone and the mob, but then I'll tell you that was 90 years ago. I could go and be ignorant and claim the movie Rush Hour perceives Hong Kong as strictly a drug trafficking, gang infested murder port but that would be wrong as well. It is not rampant, end of story. Rwanda has rampant violence. The USA does not.