Alec Baldwin is a scumbag

[duck_duck]

I just heard on the news that a court temporarly suspended his visitation rights.

Originally Posted by duck_duck

I just heard on the news that a court temporarly suspended his visitation rights.

Good job. Hopefully he can't call her.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by duck_duck

I just heard on the news that a court temporarly suspended his visitation rights.

Exactly what mommy wanted...

[Stormieweather]

So the people arguing for Alec here feel that what he said is justifiable, acceptable, is not abusive, and he should suffer no consequences for his behavior, is that correct?

Is this a result of the common, yet erroneous, opinion that abuse is only physical? That verbal assult does not count? How about the people who say that slapping with an open hand is not hitting? Or forcing your wife to have sex is not rape because she is your property? You all agree?

And further, that his anger is not his responsibility, but his daughter's or even his daughter's mother's fault?

See, I believe in self-accountabililty. We are each responsible for our actions as well as our reactions to external forces. We all have a choice in what we do and say. Alec could have chosen a non-abusive, assertive manner to discuss his disappointment and hurt with his daughter. Even if he 'lost' it and said things he shouldn't have, he could have been mature and emotionally healthy enough to apologise (without slinging blame and excuses around). But he didn't.


Stormie

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Stormieweather

So the people arguing for Alec here feel that what he said is justifiable, acceptable, is not abusive, and he should suffer no consequences for his behavior, is that correct?

Stormie

No. What he should suffer as a consequence is no business of neither yours or mine, nor of the general public. Mommy put it in the press. What goes on between parents and children in this case should be handled between them not tried in the press. No one has all the information about this relationship.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by Stormieweather

So the people arguing for Alec here feel that what he said is justifiable, acceptable, is not abusive, and he should suffer no consequences for his behavior, is that correct?

No

Is this a result of the common, yet erroneous, opinion that abuse is only physical?

No

That verbal assult does not count?

No

How about the people who say that slapping with an open hand is not hitting? Or forcing your wife to have sex is not rape because she is your property? You all agree?

You're off on a tangent too far from this case to be considered. That's the subject for another thread.

And further, that his anger is not his responsibility, but his daughter's or even his daughter's mother's fault?

Who said that?

See, I believe in self-accountabililty. We are each responsible for our actions as well as our reactions to external forces. We all have a choice in what we do and say. Alec could have chosen a non-abusive, assertive manner to discuss his disappointment and hurt with his daughter. Even if he 'lost' it and said things he shouldn't have, he could have been mature and emotionally healthy enough to apologise (without slinging blame and excuses around). But he didn't.

I see, so even though it's none of your business, you still want to invoke the death penalty, because this innocent child was irreparably harmed by her father yelling at her, and using dirty words she'd never been exposed to, which will permanently ruin her self esteem and cause her to become a Coke and booze addicted Hollywood slut.

[Stormieweather]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

~snip~ you still want to invoke the death penalty.

I did not say that. Don't put words in my mouth.

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

~snip~because this innocent child was irreparably harmed by her father yelling at her?.

Are you an expert on the affects of verbal abuse on children? I guess it is really just harmless in your book?

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

~snip~...and using dirty words she'd never been exposed to, which will permanently ruin her self esteem and cause her to become a Coke and booze addicted Hollywood slut.

Does it matter if she's heard the words before?

Honestly, this type of attitude astounds me.

Personally, I don't give two shits about Alec, Kim or their daughter. I haven't looked for a a single article about them since the media played the tape the first time.

What I care about is the ignorance that attempts to minimize or excuse verbal and emotional abuse. It is appalling that so many people think that talking to another person, particularly a child, in this manner is not a big deal. Society, in general, are enablers of abusers. Their ignorance and silence on the issue allows it to perpetuate in darkness, further isolating its victims and destroying even more lives, hearts, futures, families, and souls - often in combination with financial health, careers, and physical bodies, not to mention children and their lives and futures, as they learn the behavior themselves by example.

So lets all mind our own business and ignore the future generation of abusers and abuse victims that today's domestic terrorists are raising.

I just wish people DID understand how wrong this is and cared enough NOT to subject their own families to similar. But sadly, that is not the case.

Stormie

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by Stormieweather

I did not say that. Don't put words in my mouth.

I apologize, I was being facetious, but let the punishment fit the crime and be dictated by those involved. Don't try and punish him here when we don't have the facts.

Are you an expert on the affects of verbal abuse on children? I guess it is really just harmless in your book?

Are you? What constitutes verbal abuse, yelling at a kid once? Yes it's harmless, as a matter of fact, I'll say it's beneficial. Would you rather have the kid yelled at for the first time when there's a serious threat to them and they are so shocked they can't react defensively?

Does it matter if she's heard the words before?

Does it matter if she ever hears them?

Honestly, this type of attitude astounds me.

I'm not surprised considering the misguided daisy chain of reasoning in your first post. Another paragraph or two would have surely led to a nuclear Holocaust.

Personally, I don't give two shits about Alec, Kim or their daughter. I haven't looked for a a single article about them since the media played the tape the first time.

Me either.

What I care about is the ignorance that attempts to minimize or excuse verbal and emotional abuse. It is appalling that so many people think that talking to another person, particularly a child, in this manner is not a big deal. Society, in general, are enablers of abusers. Their ignorance and silence on the issue allows it to perpetuate in darkness, further isolating its victims and destroying even more lives, hearts, futures, families, and souls - often in combination with financial health, careers, and physical bodies, not to mention children and their lives and futures, as they learn the behavior themselves by example.

I'm appalled by the people that are blowing this all out of proportion, and making up scenarios of victims that don't live in Bassinger's house, over this guy snapping out at his kid.

So lets all mind our own business and ignore the future generation of abusers and abuse victims that today's domestic terrorists are raising.

I just wish people DID understand how wrong this is and cared enough NOT to subject their own families to similar. But sadly, that is not the case.

Stormie

You obviously have issues and valid concerns about abuse of one another is modern society. BUT, don't dump it on Baldwin which is what this is about. I'm not going to martyr him for societies ills.