Pulling the plug against the family's wishes

wolf · 04-25-2007, 11:04 PM

Finger grasping can be a reflex, IIRC.

My mom was full out unconscious the other night (I'll have to explain elsewhere so as not to derail this thread), but was still able to grasp and squeeze my fingers with a good deal of strength, however, she was not doing so volitionally.

piercehawkeye45 · 04-26-2007, 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by wolf

Finger grasping can be a reflex, IIRC.

My mom was full out unconscious the other night (I'll have to explain elsewhere so as not to derail this thread), but was still able to grasp and squeeze my fingers with a good deal of strength, however, she was not doing so volitionally.

It is a reflex among babies but it is suppose to go way in the first few months after birth.

Maybe it came back or something...

Griff · 04-26-2007, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

It is a reflex among babies but it is suppose to go way in the first few months after birth...

Some folks never develop beyond their survival reflexes.

9th Engineer · 04-26-2007, 11:22 AM

The doctors are the only ones who can make a decision that is really beneficial to the child here. The mother may not be ready to accept her child's death yet, but if the doctor in charge of his care knows there is no hope for his survival then his expertise gives him the responsibility of decision. It's not an issue of 'The State' making decisions on pulling plugs either, it's a medical diagnosis, not a political one.

glatt · 04-26-2007, 11:36 AM

Damn this article. At the top, it says his problems are that he can't see, can't eat, can't talk, can't breathe, is in pain, and there is no cure. I wrote this big long post listing the reasons why the plug shouldn't be pulled, since the kid isn't in a coma. His symptoms suck, but he is alert. You don't pull the plug on people who are awake.

After writing the big long post, I re-read the article, and it isn't until I see buried in the tail end of the article that the boy "is unaware of his surroundings." In my mind, that is the biggest point, and they bury it. Put it in the first paragraph CNN, you morons.

Anyway, they should pull the plug. Let the poor kid go.

tw · 04-26-2007, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by wolf

My mom was full out unconscious the other night, but was still able to grasp and squeeze my fingers with a good deal of strength, however, she was not doing so volitionally.

This entire concept was described by a researcher on this subject in Scientific American - I believe the current and latest issue.

04-25-2007, 11:04 PM	#1
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	Finger grasping can be a reflex, IIRC. My mom was full out unconscious the other night (I'll have to explain elsewhere so as not to derail this thread), but was still able to grasp and squeeze my fingers with a good deal of strength, however, she was not doing so volitionally. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

04-26-2007, 11:22 AM	#4
9th Engineer Bioengineer and aspiring lawer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 872	The doctors are the only ones who can make a decision that is really beneficial to the child here. The mother may not be ready to accept her child's death yet, but if the doctor in charge of his care knows there is no hope for his survival then his expertise gives him the responsibility of decision. It's not an issue of 'The State' making decisions on pulling plugs either, it's a medical diagnosis, not a political one. __________________ The most valuable renewable resource is stupidity.

04-26-2007, 11:36 AM	#5
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	Damn this article. At the top, it says his problems are that he can't see, can't eat, can't talk, can't breathe, is in pain, and there is no cure. I wrote this big long post listing the reasons why the plug shouldn't be pulled, since the kid isn't in a coma. His symptoms suck, but he is alert. You don't pull the plug on people who are awake. After writing the big long post, I re-read the article, and it isn't until I see buried in the tail end of the article that the boy "is unaware of his surroundings." In my mind, that is the biggest point, and they bury it. Put it in the first paragraph CNN, you morons. Anyway, they should pull the plug. Let the poor kid go.

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