Vegan couple sentenced to life over baby's death

[HungLikeJesus]

Originally Posted by monster

Why wouldn't they? So do fruitarians. it's willingly given, it's fine.

Cow's milk is also freely given. I've been to several dairy farms as part of my job, and the cows love to be milked. They are in pain if they don't get milked.

Same with cats.

The following is from the Vegan Society definition of veganism, "In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals"

Humans are animals, so I assumed that breast milk is included in this definition.

[monster]

Originally Posted by HLJ

Cow's milk is also freely given. I've been to several dairy farms as part of my job, and the cows love to be milked. They are in pain if they don't get milked.

Same with cats.

The following is from the Vegan Society definition of veganism, "In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals"

Humans are animals, so I assumed that breast milk is included in this definition.

Assume away. However you can't ask a cow's permission and cows are artificially induced to be in that state. I have many vegan friends and some fruitarian aquaintances and all their babies are breastfeed. Only an idiot would argue that this is not right. And yes, there are some idiots about. As seen here.

[bluecuracao]

I think the point HLJ is trying to make is that human breast milk is not vegan by definition, not that it's wrong for vegans to breast-feed their babies...

[HungLikeJesus]

Originally Posted by bluecuracao

I think the point HLJ is trying to make is that human breast milk is not vegan by definition, not that it's wrong for vegans to breast-feed their babies...

bluecuracao - thanks. The truth is that I don't usually have a point. I'm just trying to stir up trouble.

My grandmother was a vegetarian (but not vegan) from about 1930. My mother is also a vegetarian, and my sister is sometimes. I have several friends that are vegetarian - all women. I know very few men who are vegetarian (except for my grandfather, but he really didn't have a choice as he wasn't allowed to leave the house) - but I don't know why there is this dietary gender bias.

I'm almost a complete carnivore, but only because I have a bad reaction to most vegetables (they make me go "yuk" and make a face for which no smiley has ever been invented).

[Ibby]

Originally Posted by HLJ

I'm almost a complete carnivore, but only because I have a bad reaction to most vegetables (they make me go "yuk" and make a face for which no smiley has ever been invented).

They make me do the same, but I'm still a vegetarian....

[HungLikeJesus]

Originally Posted by Ibram

They make me do the same, but I'm still a vegetarian....

Now you're skewing the statistics.

[Hime]

I think the gender bias is because a lot of guys see "caring about animals" as unmanly. It seems to me, not being a guy, that there's a lot of pressure on men to act in "masculine" ways. Like how they have the Nutrisystem for women ads that are all "look, you can eat chocolate cake and look cute in a bikini!" and the Nutrisystem for men ads that are like "look, you can eat lots of MEAT and still play football and have sex!"

As for the milk thing, yes, cows need to be milked, but they don't need to be raised in modern industrial dairy farms that do not allow them to have room to graze or to eat their normal diets. There is a big difference between that and drinking breast milk, IMO.

[HungLikeJesus]

Originally Posted by Hime

I think the gender bias is because a lot of guys see "caring about animals" as unmanly. It seems to me, not being a guy, that there's a lot of pressure on men to act in "masculine" ways. Like how they have the Nutrisystem for women ads that are all "look, you can eat chocolate cake and look cute in a bikini!" and the Nutrisystem for men ads that are like "look, you can eat lots of MEAT and still play football and have sex!"

As for the milk thing, yes, cows need to be milked, but they don't need to be raised in modern industrial dairy farms that do not allow them to have room to graze or to eat their normal diets. There is a big difference between that and drinking breast milk, IMO.

Hime - that's why I was so disappointed to find out that the meat tree was a hoax. If we could get meat from trees, would vegetarians object to eating it?

I think that, to completely get away from factory farms (for all products, not just meat and dairy), the population of the world would have to be reduced by about 50%.

This thread is really making me hungry (it's nearly 10 am in Colorado).

[monster]

Originally Posted by bluecuracao

I think the point HLJ is trying to make is that human breast milk is not vegan by definition, not that it's wrong for vegans to breast-feed their babies...

By his interpretation of the definition he found. Which is misleading/poorly worded/open to incorrect interpretation.