The Vital Difference

Ibby · 05-20-2007, 01:17 PM

I agree that the left, the Communist left, has been terrible about it - but in the US, right now, it's the right that's the problem by a long shot.

Communism is dead, outside North Korea. Fascism is far from it.
I wouldn't mind the right nearly so much if there was more of the libertarian right, and less of the authoritarian right (who usually masquerade as the former, like UG does). As far as I'm concerned, right-left is not NEARLY as important as lib-auth.

xoxoxoBruce · 05-20-2007, 01:56 PM

The conservatives want to return to the good old days, pre WW II and the Red Menace. The problem with that is described in this rant, I got in an email...

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They Were ALL Fascists. At a military level, let's face a nasty fact: WW II was Stalin vs. Hitler. The rest was window dressing. Stalin won because--because what, he was a nicer guy? Nope, he won because his brand of fascism was actually way more ruthless and bloody and effective than Hitler's smalltime snobbery, and because Stalin had the whole US industrial machine backing him. There's no moral lesson in that that I can see.
Of course, most of these WW II fans try real hard not to think about Stalin, so they prefer to think about Britain and the rest of Western Europe. Those are officially the good guys. Well, got some bad news for you: they were all fascists too, just weaker than Stalin and Hitler, more sly and suckup-y. The only lesson they've got to offer is that if you want to survive, start out as a raving fascist and when that becomes uncool, turn coward and start pretending you were always in favor of niceness.
Europe before Stalingrad was an alien planet, as crazy and bloodthirsty as any Aztec priest. Nobody realizes the complete flip-flop Europe did in 1945. Before that, it was a continent full of insane fascists. Some were braver, better soldiers, or smarter; those are the only real differences.

You say fascist like it's a bad thing. Maybe it is but it was once the norm.

Griff · 05-20-2007, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Ibram

As far as I'm concerned, right-left is not NEARLY as important as lib-auth.

Yep, that is much more useful.

05-20-2007, 01:17 PM	#1
Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	I agree that the left, the Communist left, has been terrible about it - but in the US, right now, it's the right that's the problem by a long shot. Communism is dead, outside North Korea. Fascism is far from it. I wouldn't mind the right nearly so much if there was more of the libertarian right, and less of the authoritarian right (who usually masquerade as the former, like UG does). As far as I'm concerned, right-left is not NEARLY as important as lib-auth. __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

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