The Smoking Gun - Page 2

piercehawkeye45 · 05-26-2007, 09:31 PM

Some people can handle physical pain better than others.

I am not talking about resistance, I am saying they have different effects so they should not be compared as "what is worse?"

xoxoxoBruce · 05-26-2007, 11:23 PM

Yes they can, but removing an eye has the same effect on everyone...one less eye.

Urbane Guerrilla · 05-27-2007, 01:42 AM

Well, anyway, Aliantha: yeah. It is. Gitmo shows our restraint -- even when the Gitmo prisoners try provoking our MP's by flinging piss on them from behind their cell bars. We do not shoot them for this. We're so cool.

Yay, Us.

TheMercenary · 05-27-2007, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

From what I understand this type of torture is just a different form of torture with different results in mind than the one's used at Gitmo so comparing them would be invalid.

Physical and psychological torture are two very different things and one is not worse than the other even though the outside effects may be very different.

You're kidding right? The psychological techniques used by the military are no different than those used by your local police.

piercehawkeye45 · 05-27-2007, 05:17 PM

Your police lock you in a room with no natural light, don't let you sleep by blasting metallica, deprive you of food, drench you with icy cold water to wash you, and all of that all without a set release date? I must know the wrong police officers...

Aliantha · 05-27-2007, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

Well, anyway, Aliantha: yeah. It is. Gitmo shows our restraint -- even when the Gitmo prisoners try provoking our MP's by flinging piss on them from behind their cell bars. We do not shoot them for this. We're so cool.

Yay, Us.

I feel so sorry for you UG.

05-29-2007, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

I think the difference is psychological torture has different effects on different people. Some crack right away and some may take years to crack.

Physical torture has the same physical effect on everyone.

We should be doing neither, ever.

Urbane Guerrilla · 05-29-2007, 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha

I feel so sorry for you UG.

Don't. There is no need.

Where there is need, however, is for the breaking of all non-democracies. No other form of governance is remotely as legitimate as a democracy. Nondemocracies behave far worse than democracies do, as any perusal of current events will show. The world's troubles -- do they not have their origin exclusively from the less-than-democracies?

Pedant's note: I'm counting republics among the species of democracies.

Aliantha · 05-29-2007, 01:56 AM

some would view the united states as the source of their troubles.

It's all a matter of perspective UG. You should try and remember that once in a while.

Urbane Guerrilla · 05-29-2007, 02:02 AM

There is accurate perspective, and there is inaccurate perspective.

You want a good world? You make democracy regardless of anything the fascists may say, do, or attempt. We democrats must prevail.

The smell of dead fascists rotting is but a momentary annoyance contrasted with democracy's ongoing benefits.

Aliantha · 05-29-2007, 02:05 AM

You're sounding a bit like the bloke who forgot to take his medication this morning UG.

Urbane Guerrilla · 05-29-2007, 02:11 AM

Actually, I did... but it's diabetes medication. And I took it this afternoon. :p

And it's still only a momentary annoyance.

That's why I'll always like George W. Bush: he eats more un-democrats for breakfast than all his counterparts put together manage all week.

Aliantha · 05-29-2007, 02:15 AM

Really? I thought he was a bit of a forgetful old man that probably likes softened oats more than anything as meaty as an 'undemocrat'.

Urbane Guerrilla · 05-29-2007, 03:46 AM

Why, Ali, that would be... misunderestimating.

This guy's idea of good clean, soul-cleansing fun is tending to his South Texas ranch, clearing brush and so on. Prolly agrees with Reagan that there is something about the outside of a horse that is good for the inside of a man. Wouldn't be surprised to discover he has about thirty kinds of bottled hot sauce -- and one or two favorites -- and quite a taste for San Antonio-style chili. They invented the stuff there about a century and a quarter back.

Aliantha · 05-29-2007, 05:52 AM

Well a good hot chilli would probably help keep the old codger regular.

05-26-2007, 11:23 PM	#17
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Yes they can, but removing an eye has the same effect on everyone...one less eye. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

05-27-2007, 01:42 AM	#18
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	Well, anyway, Aliantha: yeah. It is. Gitmo shows our restraint -- even when the Gitmo prisoners try provoking our MP's by flinging piss on them from behind their cell bars. We do not shoot them for this. We're so cool. Yay, Us. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

05-29-2007, 01:56 AM	#24
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	some would view the united states as the source of their troubles. It's all a matter of perspective UG. You should try and remember that once in a while. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

05-29-2007, 02:02 AM	#25
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	There is accurate perspective, and there is inaccurate perspective. You want a good world? You make democracy regardless of anything the fascists may say, do, or attempt. We democrats must prevail. The smell of dead fascists rotting is but a momentary annoyance contrasted with democracy's ongoing benefits. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

05-29-2007, 02:05 AM	#26
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	You're sounding a bit like the bloke who forgot to take his medication this morning UG. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

05-26-2007, 09:31 PM	#16
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	Some people can handle physical pain better than others. I am not talking about resistance, I am saying they have different effects so they should not be compared as "what is worse?"

05-27-2007, 05:17 PM	#20
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	Your police lock you in a room with no natural light, don't let you sleep by blasting metallica, deprive you of food, drench you with icy cold water to wash you, and all of that all without a set release date? I must know the wrong police officers...

05-29-2007, 02:11 AM	#27
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	Actually, I did... but it's diabetes medication. And I took it this afternoon. :p And it's still only a momentary annoyance. That's why I'll always like George W. Bush: he eats more un-democrats for breakfast than all his counterparts put together manage all week. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

05-29-2007, 02:15 AM	#28
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Really? I thought he was a bit of a forgetful old man that probably likes softened oats more than anything as meaty as an 'undemocrat'. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

05-29-2007, 03:46 AM	#29
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	Why, Ali, that would be... misunderestimating. This guy's idea of good clean, soul-cleansing fun is tending to his South Texas ranch, clearing brush and so on. Prolly agrees with Reagan that there is something about the outside of a horse that is good for the inside of a man. Wouldn't be surprised to discover he has about thirty kinds of bottled hot sauce -- and one or two favorites -- and quite a taste for San Antonio-style chili. They invented the stuff there about a century and a quarter back. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

05-29-2007, 05:52 AM	#30
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Well a good hot chilli would probably help keep the old codger regular. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

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