Amnesty In America

[tw]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

You still don't think the ones not working for cash, are too stupid to fill out a W-4 form with a bunch of dependents, so they not only don't have to apply for a refund they end up delinquent before they move on.

Bruce forgets one cannot even hire a nanny without filing those forms. The illegal immigrants we are discussing - this large majority who hold full time or other jobs that require SS numbers and withholding - do file W-4 forms. As long as those forms can be filed, then these illegal immigrants have jobs.

How were they finding so many illegals? Look for all the invented or borrowed SS numbers. Why? Bruce assumes they are all working only for cash. Business cannot do that and have employees. Even where ever I consult, they still want those numbers and forms. I may only do a job for a couple of weeks. They still want those numbers and forms - just like they want from their immigrant workers.

What happens to all that withheld pay? Nobody files to reclaim it. And so we have a problem with amnesty. Suddenly massive amounts of government tax dollars can be refunded to millions of workers.

The one requirement every employer has when he inadvertantly hires illegal immigrants. They must provide SS numbers and forms for the withholding - in direct opposition to what Bruce has posted. Yes, there are exceptions. But those exceptions are not the millions of workers who work illegally and make America greater.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by tw

Bruce forgets one cannot even hire a nanny without filing those forms. The illegal immigrants we are discussing - this large majority who hold full time or other jobs that require SS numbers and withholding - do file W-4 forms. As long as those forms can be filed, then these illegal immigrants have jobs.

tw forgets that the W-4 form determines the amount of taxes taken out of each paycheck. If you lie about the number of dependents, when you file your taxes, the government wants proof of those deductions. No proof = fraud = the IRS up your butt forever. But tw claims these illegals are overpaying because they can't file for a refund. That means tw feels these illegals are too stupid to overstate the number of dependents on the W-4 to lower the tax bite, knowing they can't file anyway. How arrogant.

How were they finding so many illegals? Look for all the invented or borrowed SS numbers. Why? Bruce assumes they are all working only for cash. Business cannot do that and have employees. Even where ever I consult, they still want those numbers and forms. I may only do a job for a couple of weeks. They still want those numbers and forms - just like they want from their immigrant workers.

tw claims I assume all the illegals are working for cash because he can't read for comprehension when I actually said;

You still don't think the ones not working for cash, are too stupid to fill out a W-4 form with a bunch of dependents, so they not only don't have to apply for a refund they end up delinquent before they move on.

in post #27.

tw also claims that all illegals have to provide a SS number and fill out a W-4, for every job, because he does for his consulting. Of course tw is being engaged as an independent, self employed, contractor (think company) which most likely pays at least ten times the hourly rate these illegals are earning (think employee) for actually doing some work.
tw needs an MBA to straighten out his warped perspective.

What happens to all that withheld pay? Nobody files to reclaim it. And so we have a problem with amnesty. Suddenly massive amounts of government tax dollars can be refunded to millions of workers.

Aw fer Pete's sake, do you take us for idiots? Do you file to reclaim the taxes withheld from your pay? Do they give it to you? They keep mine along with everyone else's, unless we happen to give them a little too much. Since you have trouble with comprehension, once more, they don't give the government money that would be refunded if they were legal. They are NOT leaving claimable monies unclaimed. That is a complete and utter myth. And if you keep repeating it, knowing it's bullshit, it becomes a lie.

The one requirement every employer has when he inadvertantly hires illegal immigrants. They must provide SS numbers and forms for the withholding - in direct opposition to what Bruce has posted. Yes, there are exceptions. But those exceptions are not the millions of workers who work illegally and make America greater.

Now tw claims I said they don't fill out the W-4 forms, which is an outright lie, unless he didn't read my numerous posts in this and other threads describing how they can manipulate the W-4 forms.
I'm inclined to believe he's not lying, he just responds with his horseshit, without reading any other posts.

But that said, if you have any questions on power supplies, tw's your man.
Tell him Nixon sent you.