Sheriff calls for guns on campus

[piercehawkeye45]

You seem to fail to realize that guns are a double edged sword. It can hurt society just as much as it can help. No one is trying to take away your need to stay alive, it just happens because their can be bigger consequences. It is like the Iran nuclear issue. They have every right to make nuclear energy because they will need it in 8 or so years but we are taking away their right to do it. Why, because we feel that they don’t have the right to make the best available energy source? No, because it is a double edged sword as well. They could possibly use the nuclear technology to make nuclear weapons, which we find unacceptable. The same concept applies to guns.

Guns are not like heroine, I can not just avoid guns like I can heroine. If someone takes heroine, I will never be killed from it. That is the point of the whole debate, what may be worse for the individual may be best for the community.


The idea that we made rights to satisfy our need of self-preservation is the only idea that makes sense. To say we were born with infinite rights not only does not make sense or backed by nature, can be taken out with Occam's razor. The universe is a nihilistic cage, nothing more; it does not give us anything. It is much easier to say that everyone has no rights but just survives than it is to say that everyone has infinite rights. If you get in a street fight to the death there is no one telling you that you can do anything, you just survive. Nature supports the theory of just surviving as well since we don’t see animals doing whatever they want.

Then once society was more or less created, rights came with it to explain our biological feelings and to keep order. That is the only option that makes sense, the idea of a nihilistic cage gives us infinite rights does not.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

Nature supports the theory of just surviving as well since we don’t see animals doing whatever they want.

They don't? They do unless something interferes with their right to do that.

[wolf]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

Guns are not like heroine*, I can not just avoid guns like I can heroine. If someone takes heroine, I will never be killed from it. That is the point of the whole debate, what may be worse for the individual may be best for the community.

If you do not attempt to assault, rape, or murder me, you won't be harmed by my gun.

Just as in your heroin example, you make the choice not to engage in the risk-taking behavior. Actually, it goes beyond that. You are ultimately harmed by the guy doing heroin. It's your money that's going to send him to rehab, and your stuff that he's stealing (even if indirectly by an increase in your taxes to pay for the police to deal with the crime related to his drug use).




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* Note: There is no "e" in heroin. Putting one there makes me nuts.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by wolf

* Note: There is no "e" in heroin. Putting one there makes me nuts.

Methinks heroine is more dangerous than heroin.

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by wolf

If you do not attempt to assault, rape, or murder me, you won't be harmed by my gun.

Yes, but you do not speak for everyone that owns a gun. Other people use to enforce their lust for power.


xoxoxobruce - I think you are misunderstanding my analogy. Of course no one has to tell you what you can and can not do, but you do not need rights to do whatever you want. Rights are just superfluous, why I say it is more complicated, and the only thing I can see them being there is for justification.


rkzenrage - Would you still want guns on campus if 20 people were dying a year from them but only 1 person a year was being saved from them? This is assuming we had definite proof.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

xoxoxobruce - I think you are misunderstanding my analogy. Of course no one has to tell you what you can and can not do, but you do not need rights to do whatever you want. Rights are just superfluous, why I say it is more complicated, and the only thing I can see them being there is for justification.

Of course they are justification, they are the reason I can do what I wish.
That said, that doesn't release me from the responsibility of considering, and not infringing on, other peoples rights.
If I didn't have the right to do what I wish, there would be no reason for laws to tell me I can't, they would just not tell me I could.