Bush Pressing Hard (To Sell Americans Out) on Immigration Bill

[piercehawkeye45]

Another problem is that there aren't enough jobs in Mexico.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

Another problem is that there aren't enough jobs in Mexico.

That is NOT our problem, nor is it one that we should be required to fix. We should accept that it is our problem that we have so many millions of people here to entered illegally, how to close the borders so that any future fix will be effective. There can be no solution to fix the immigration policy-problem until an effective means of controlling and closing the border is addressed, IMHO. The immigration bill by Bush was feel good measure and did not fix the problems. The misc amendments added at the end did not help the situation. In the long run it would have cost us more money. We must fix the border problem first.

[tw]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

That is NOT our problem, nor is it one that we should be required to fix.

Funny. That is not what happened in the Doha round of GATT? The entire world walked out three days early in Cancun because nations who put massive funding into corporate welfare refused to negotiate free trade.

Those companies so desperate for migrant workers (foolishly called illegal immigrants) find it cheaper to stay in America and employee foreigners. Smarter (and necessary for the long term stability of American borders) is to have companies whose workers would only be migrants to move those industries to where the workers are.

But when one's head is stuck in the sand, then one declares with open defiance.

That is NOT our problem

It’s called a world market. If it is not our problem, then why do we get so concerned when the Mexican or Argentinean peso drops - when markets in other countries become unstable. Clearly we should have done nothing to help Mexico during its liquidity crisis. It's not our problem. Screw them? It only says much about the self centered attitude of the poster; not the realities of this world.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by tw

Funny. That is not what happened in the Doha round of GATT? The entire world walked out three days early in Cancun because nations who put massive funding into corporate welfare refused to negotiate free trade.

Those companies so desperate for migrant workers (foolishly called illegal immigrants) find it cheaper to stay in America and employee foreigners. Smarter (and necessary for the long term stability of American borders) is to have companies whose workers would only be migrants to move those industries to where the workers are.

But when one's head is stuck in the sand, then one declares with open defiance. It’s called a world market. If it is not our problem, then why do we get so concerned when the Mexican or Argentinean peso drops - when markets in other countries become unstable. Clearly we should have done nothing to help Mexico during its liquidity crisis. It's not our problem. Screw them? It only says much about the self centered attitude of the poster; not the realities of this world.

My position is that we may have great interest in what goes on around us, in world markets, in other countries, but that does not make it our problem to fix. Much of the mess we are in today is due to such thinking. The issue is how do we regulate the current immigration mess, stem the tide of people blatently flaunting our legal system, sucking our border states social systems dry, all the while supporting the needs of our businesses and labor pool needs.

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

Another problem is that there aren't enough jobs in Mexico.

Guess they need to get to work on reforming their country then, not taking our over.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

Another problem is that there aren't enough jobs in Mexico.

If you consider the matter more carefully, you will see that this is not another problem, but a symptom of the want of a middle class. This is one of the ways the overarching problem manifests itself: another way to put it is "too few employers."