Bush invalidates Fifth Ammendment by Executive Order

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Now look, do you find anything there that you couldn't unfreeze these assets by due process upon discovery?

[richlevy]

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

Now look, do you find anything there that you couldn't unfreeze these assets by due process upon discovery?

The Constitution prohibits seizure without due process. Period. Notice that unlike the wiretapping laws, this one includes US citizens.

As for unfreezing, how much do you think that would cost in legal fees? $10,000? $50,000. How long would someone have to wait, while bills piled up and foreclosure became more and more possible?

If someone did lose their house because of this, how much would it cost and how long would it take to recover compensation from the government, assuming they could be sued?

The reason this is an executive order and not a law is that it's a blatant Constitutional violation that would have never made it through both houses, even with a Republican majority.

[Griff]

Everyone knows that government has continually grown in size and scope during this past century, but how and why has it done so? Is this growth inherent in the nature of government or because of some greater social needs, or are there other causes?

In Crisis and Leviathan, Robert Higgs shows that the main reason lies in government’s responses to national “crises” (real or imagined), including economic upheavals (e.g., the Great Depression) and especially war (e.g., World Wars I and II, Cold War, etc.). The result is ever increasing government power which endures long after each crisis has passed, impinging on both civil and economic liberties and fostering extensive corporate welfare and pork. As government power grows, writes Higgs, it achieves a form of autonomy, making it ever more difficult to decrease its size and scope, and to resist its further efforts to increase its reach, so long as the citizenry remain uninformed of its true effects.


An oldie but still right on the mark.

[BigV]

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

Now look, do you find anything there that you couldn't unfreeze these assets by due process upon discovery?

Oh my God.

You have no concept of: the rule of law, checks and balances, the value of our Constitution.

You believe in: the end justifying the means and letting other people think for you.

You are a fanboy.

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Fanboy is a term used to describe an individual (usually male, though the feminine version fangirl may be used for females) who is utterly devoted to a single fannish subject, or to a single point of view within that subject, often to the point where it is considered an obsession. Fanboys remain loyal to their particular obsession, disregarding any factors that differ from their point of view.

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