Politics ad absurdam

[DanaC]

Why don't Europeans just make it illegal to speak from the Koran, wear a turban, or anything that "seems" like it is "Islamofascists"?
Isn't that how they handle this kind of thing? S-what they did with the BNP, skins and the like, right.
Just limit their speech.
Same thing.

Europeans or British? The BNP are a solely British affair. Even with Euro-wide agreements, the laws are actually very different from one European nation to another.


From BBC

European interior ministers have agreed to make incitement to racism an EU-wide crime, but have stopped short of a blanket ban on Holocaust denial.
The agreement makes it an offence to condone or grossly trivialise crimes of genocide - but only if the effect is incitement to violence or hatred.

The deal follows six years of talks, and will disappoint Germany, which pushed hard for a Holocaust-denial law.

Berlin has also had to drop a proposal for an EU-wide ban on Nazi symbols.

The European Network Against Racism said most European countries already had laws against incitement to racism, and the "weak text" would leave many national legal codes unchanged.

Films and plays

Under the agreement, incitement to hatred or violence against a group or a person based on colour, race, national or ethnic origin must be punishable by at least a year in jail.

However, member states can choose to limit prosecutions to cases likely to disturb public order.

Punishing incitement to hatred against religion will only be compulsory in cases where it amounts to inciting hatred against a national or ethnic group, race or colour.

Officials said the wording was carefully designed to avoid criminalising films or plays about genocide, or discouraging academic research.

But dissemination of "tracts, pictures or other material" is punishable if it is designed to incite violence or hatred.

The chief difficulty holding up an agreement, since the proposal was first put forward in 2001, was the concern of some states that it would impinge on freedom of speech.

The text of the decision says the new rules will not modify the obligation to respect fundamental legal principles, including freedom of expression and association.

Countries where it is already a crime to deny the Holocaust will stick to their existing rules, but other countries will not be obliged to help them with judicial investigations.

STATES WITH HOLOCAUST DENIAL LAWS
Austria
Belgium
Czech Republic
France
Germany
Lithuania
Poland
Romania
Slovakia

You'll notice Britain isn't on that list. The countries on that list, who operate wt holocaust denial laws, are mainly those who have a strong reason to seek to keep that history.

In Britain, our laws limiting what groups like the BNP can say/disseminate, are very specific. It is not ilegal for someone to say 'I hate all blacks'. It's not illegal to say 'all pakis are scum and we should send 'em all back'. It is illegal to address a rally, or deliver a bunch of leaflets saying 'the time is now, stand up for white rights, kick a paki today'.

Originally Posted by DanaC

Europeans or British? The BNP are a solely British affair. Even with Euro-wide agreements, the laws are actually very different from one European nation to another.


From BBC


You'll notice Britain isn't on that list. The countries on that list, who operate wt holocaust denial laws, are mainly those who have a strong reason to seek to keep that history.

In Britain, our laws limiting what groups like the BNP can say/disseminate, are very specific. It is not ilegal for someone to say 'I hate all blacks'. It's not illegal to say 'all pakis are scum and we should send 'em all back'. It is illegal to address a rally, or deliver a bunch of leaflets saying 'the time is now, stand up for white rights, kick a paki today'.

Really, so the BNP can have a rally with White Law playing and the crowd giving the Nazi salute in the UK and no one says boo?
I don't think so.
Again, if they are going to do this, they might as well do it for Muslims... same thing.