3/13/2003: Ashoura blood ritual

Undertoad · 03-13-2003, 06:53 PM

Happy Ashoura (Ashura?) (Ashara?) day, a day which we noted last year as well. This Shiite Muslim ceremony marks the AD 680 battle in which Imam Hussein, the grandson of Islam's Prophet Mohammed, was killed.

These guys are really into it, but the practice is generally more angled towards the children. They are ritually cut, after which you're supposed to hit the wound to really make the blood spread impressively.

It seems if you're really into it, you use a big ol' sword or knife instead of a razor, and if you're really really into it, you hit the wound WITH the sword or knife. That's what it seems, but I'm just going by the various images of it.

More Yahoo News Photos

Undertoad · 03-13-2003, 07:09 PM

Further detail from this gent:

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Basically it is the story of the battle between Imam Hussein, the grandson of the prophet Mohammed, and Caliph Yazid on the Kerbala desert in 680 A.D.
Imam Hussein is to return to Kufa/Iraq after he has been reassured that the people there will help him in his struggle after he had fled to Mecca under the threat of being assassinated by Yazid’s people. On his way back the horse he is riding stops at a certain place near the Euphrates and doesn’t move. When the Imam asks the name of this place he is told it is the desert of Karbala (karrun wa bala2) which roughly means harm and calamity. He tells his followers that this is the place where he will be killed as prophesied. Tents are put up and they are very soon after that surrounded by Yazid’s army. The Imam does not have many people with him and most of them are family members with women and children. We’ll move a bit quickly thru the events now. First their water supply is cut off for three days, and then the battle starts, family members of the Imam die one after the other trying to protect Imam Hussein including his young sons. After all the men have been killed, Yazid’s army moves thru the camp and burns the tents down. Imam Hussein’s head is then taken to Damascus to prove to Yazid that al-Hussein has been killed.

Apparently, the people hitting themselves, which you can see in the "more images" link, are mourning the fact that they didn't protect Imam Hussein. OK.

warch · 03-13-2003, 07:10 PM

That looks sticky.

Nothing But Net · 03-13-2003, 08:26 PM

Instead of wasting that blood they ought to be banking it for the Iraqi Red Crescent Society. They're going to be needing it all too soon.

wolf · 03-14-2003, 12:20 PM

It's really NOT all that much blood. Probably less than an ounce.

Angled more towards children?? I know that I shouldn't judge other cultures by our standards, but ... couldn't they just have the kid sit in the lap of the prophet and deliver a wish list or something?? Hunt for toy swords maybe?

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lswift70 · 04-24-2003, 04:43 PM

The only thing more primitive would be actually drinking the blood of their "god" (with a flesh chaser...hmm yummy)

MY religion wouldn't have ANY of that fairy tale demonic non sense.
Well.... transubstantiation not withstanding of course.

piously hypocritical and blissfully ignant, Lilkey

Torrere · 04-24-2003, 09:13 PM

What would you hold sacred?

lswift70 · 04-24-2003, 11:53 PM

I consider a personal, private relationship with God, worthy of veneration. Likewise, certain relationship bonds between friends and family also deserve reverence.

wolf · 04-25-2003, 01:16 AM

Because sometimes I look at the world in slightly strange ways ...

Perhaps, like some people enjoy public displays of affection, some Gods do too ...

I suppose it is odd to most Westerners to see expressions of a more experiential religion than what they are used to.

chrisinhouston · 02-19-2005, 03:53 PM

Gee, It's February, so it must be Ashura Day!

This from the BBC photos site

Troubleshooter · 02-19-2005, 06:43 PM

I wonder what it would take to convince them to cut a little deeper?

Griff · 02-19-2005, 08:28 PM

Well neo-cons, can you say Shia Muslim democracy? Sure you can.

Brown Thrasher · 02-20-2005, 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by wolf

Because sometimes I look at the world in slightly strange ways ...

Perhaps, like some people enjoy public displays of affection, some Gods do too ...

I suppose it is odd to most Westerners to see expressions of a more experiential religion than what they are used to.

I wonder if certain Gods enjoy watching his faithful play with rattlesnakes?
I wouldn't consider this display anymore disconcerning than some of the primitive religion practices in north Ga.

jaguar · 02-20-2005, 05:42 AM

I'm glad that no 'western' religions would ever involve cutting kids or require body modification or ritualise the drinking of blood and flesh............

03-13-2003, 06:53 PM	#1
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	3/13/2003: Ashoura blood ritual Happy Ashoura (Ashura?) (Ashara?) day, a day which we noted last year as well. This Shiite Muslim ceremony marks the AD 680 battle in which Imam Hussein, the grandson of Islam's Prophet Mohammed, was killed. These guys are really into it, but the practice is generally more angled towards the children. They are ritually cut, after which you're supposed to hit the wound to really make the blood spread impressively. It seems if you're really into it, you use a big ol' sword or knife instead of a razor, and if you're really really into it, you hit the wound WITH the sword or knife. That's what it seems, but I'm just going by the various images of it. More Yahoo News Photos

03-14-2003, 12:20 PM	#5
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	It's really NOT all that much blood. Probably less than an ounce. Angled more towards children?? I know that I shouldn't judge other cultures by our standards, but ... couldn't they just have the kid sit in the lap of the prophet and deliver a wish list or something?? Hunt for toy swords maybe? __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

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04-24-2003, 04:43 PM	#7
lswift70 Person Who Has Posted Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Lubbock Posts: 2	ashoura blood ritual The only thing more primitive would be actually drinking the blood of their "god" (with a flesh chaser...hmm yummy) MY religion wouldn't have ANY of that fairy tale demonic non sense. Well.... transubstantiation not withstanding of course. piously hypocritical and blissfully ignant, Lilkey

04-24-2003, 11:53 PM	#9
lswift70 Person Who Has Posted Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Lubbock Posts: 2	sacred I consider a personal, private relationship with God, worthy of veneration. Likewise, certain relationship bonds between friends and family also deserve reverence.

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warch lurkin old school Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,796	That looks sticky.

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Nothing But Net Professor Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Spring, Texas Posts: 1,481	Instead of wasting that blood they ought to be banking it for the Iraqi Red Crescent Society. They're going to be needing it all too soon.

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Torrere a real smartass Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Kirkland, WA Posts: 1,121	What would you hold sacred?

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wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	Because sometimes I look at the world in slightly strange ways ... Perhaps, like some people enjoy public displays of affection, some Gods do too ... I suppose it is odd to most Westerners to see expressions of a more experiential religion than what they are used to. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

02-19-2005, 03:53 PM	#11
chrisinhouston Professor Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Houston TX Posts: 1,857	Gee, It's February, so it must be Ashura Day! This from the BBC photos site Attached Images

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Troubleshooter The urban Jane Goodall Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 3,012	I wonder what it would take to convince them to cut a little deeper? __________________ I have gained this from philosophy: that I do without being commanded what others do only from fear of the law. - Aristotle

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Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	Well neo-cons, can you say Shia Muslim democracy? Sure you can. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

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