NFL Should Dump Vick

[DanaC]

Some black people feel dog fighting is fine. Why? Because that is their culture, raised around rotts and pits for protection in the inner city; opposite from other peoples. Does that make them all inhumane animal torturers?

I seriously doubt that being black has anything to do with it. There are dogfighting rings in the UK and, as far as I know, it tends to be white, working class men who are involved. My guess is, the unifying 'culture' is socio-economic in nature, rather than race. In areas of high deprivation, crime and violence, fierce dogs are desirable. In a climate of economic and social uncertainty, where violence and fear are a common part of life, some people become emotionally calloused.

Fresh, you mentioned cock-fighting in your country of origin: I don't believe this is the same. What you are describing is a sport which has been in continuous existence for hundreds, even thousands, of years. I personally think it is an appalling sport, but I can see the 'cultural difference' argument too. WHat we've been discussing in this thread, however, is not a continuation of something. Dog-fighting is something that has been around for long time, but has been considered culturally unacceptable in the West for many years.

[freshnesschronic]

Originally Posted by DanaC

WHat we've been discussing in this thread, however, is not a continuation of something. Dog-fighting is something that has been around for long time, but has been considered culturally unacceptable in the West for many years.

I liked your post. But prostitution, gambling, adultery, indecent exposure are all culturally unacceptable in the West for many years too, right?

[yesman065]

Originally Posted by freshnesschronic

But prostitution, gambling, adultery, indecent exposure are all culturally unacceptable in the West for many years too, right?

All of those "activities" involve humans only (except in Bruces case,j/k) Dog fighting is comlpletely different having no comparison to them.

Originally Posted by yesman065

All of those "activities" involve humans only (except in Bruces case,j/k) Dog fighting is comlpletely different having no comparison to them.

Do you eat meat, wear leather?

No. I don't believe any literate individual with an IQ above 65 and access to newsmedia believes Vick has been convicted yet since he was just indicted.

Regardless of whether or not you think image is an issue, or I think it's an issue, or anyone else thinks it's an issue, the NFL has made it pretty clear that it is an issue with the league - or else they wouldn't have suspended him for being charged (not convicted) of these crimes.

I think people who make assumptions without facts are idiots and should be ignored and/or treated as such, no matter how many of them their are.
I will bet you a golden football if he is acquitted he will get his old job back and that is as it should be.

[yesman065]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

Do you eat meat, wear leather?

Thats a long stretch -
I eat meat & no I don't wear leather. I don't eat veal though. Does that count for anything?

[smurfalicious]

I think my IQ dropped a point or four for just having read your post, rkzenrage.

People who ignore the facts are even bigger idiots.

How about posting a real argument rather than this nanny-nanny-boo-boo-you-don't-know-the-facts bullshit with nothing to support yours.

Originally Posted by yesman065

Thats a long stretch -
I eat meat & no I don't wear leather. I don't eat veal though. Does that count for anything?

Ever been to a slaughterhouse? I have.
Don't talk to me about "torture". It is cultural.
I don't like animal fights, but I KNOW I'm a hypocrite, do you?

[smurfalicious]

Well, since literacy doesn't appear to be your strong suit, maybe you should go look for your baseball.

[yesman065]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

Ever been to a slaughterhouse? I have.
Don't talk to me about "torture". It is cultural.
I don't like animal fights, but I KNOW I'm a hypocrite, do you?

Yes I went to one once - does that have any bearing on the situation with dogfighting? Not to me. A slaughterhouse is designed to provide food. Dogfighting...??? As I said a long stretch -

[wolf]

Originally Posted by DanaC

Fresh, you mentioned cock-fighting in your country of origin: I don't believe this is the same. What you are describing is a sport which has been in continuous existence for hundreds, even thousands, of years. I personally think it is an appalling sport, but I can see the 'cultural difference' argument too. WHat we've been discussing in this thread, however, is not a continuation of something. Dog-fighting is something that has been around for long time, but has been considered culturally unacceptable in the West for many years.

So, cockfighting is okay because it's "cultural" (and chickens, incidentally, aren't terribly personable), but dogfighting, which likely has a longer history and cultural ties is not?

Originally Posted by wolf

So, cockfighting is okay because it's "cultural" (and chickens, incidentally, aren't terribly personable), but dogfighting, which likely has a longer history and cultural ties is not?

I don't like either.

That confuse you did it?

Originally Posted by Hime

I am a vegetarian and believe in animal rights, but even accepting the argument that animal rights are a cultural construct and that we shouldn't expect others to share that idea, raising dangerous dogs and training them to kill without any license or permit and contrary to zoning regulations is a great way to get people hurt or killed, too. What if one of the dogs had gotten loose?

I'd like to see your opinion on raising rodeo bulls based on this.

[Hime]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

I'd like to see your opinion on raising rodeo bulls based on this.

I said that I'm a vegetarian and believe in animal rights. Of course I'm opposed to rodeos.