Roadside Memorials, Utah fight

lookout123 · 11-27-2007, 04:05 PM

could you point to the words "separation of church and state" in the constitution pleased? maybe in the bill of rights? no? certainly it must be there. ok, maybe it just isn't in my copy - i did buy it online and all. so could you point me to the part where it goes on to explain that what the founding father's meant was a complete eradication of any signs of religion in the public eye? no? weird.

Happy Monkey · 11-27-2007, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by lookout123

... complete eradication of any signs of religion in the public eye? no? weird.

By "in the public eye" do you mean "established by the government"? As far as I've seen, rkzenrage has only called the latter unconstitutional. The former is up to the private entity who owns the property which may be in the public eye. He (and I) may be happy when such an entity discontinues a policy based on the assumption that everyone is Christian, but that is a different issue from Constitutionality.

lookout123 · 11-27-2007, 05:16 PM

for the record, i do not want the government involved in my faith. i also don't believe that my faith should be thrust upon you via a government entity.

that being said i've heard that having a cross with an officer's name on it is a breach of "the separation of church and state". i asked what part of the constitution or amendments specifically points out this "separation", once that part is found please explain how a cross that is not paid for or maintained with tax dollars breaches the separation.

i think the crosses are tacky and overdone so i'm not a big fan of them, but how do we get from point A) a family or group of families expresses their grief by putting up a memorial cross on the side of the road, to Point B) The US government is endorsing the Christian faith as the one true faith?

11-28-2007, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

By "in the public eye" do you mean "established by the government"? As far as I've seen, rkzenrage has only called the latter unconstitutional. The former is up to the private entity who owns the property which may be in the public eye. He (and I) may be happy when such an entity discontinues a policy based on the assumption that everyone is Christian, but that is a different issue from Constitutionality.

Public eye? I never mentioned that in any way. I don't care what anyone does on private land with private funds. (though I do agree with signage laws)

11-27-2007, 04:05 PM	#1
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	could you point to the words "separation of church and state" in the constitution pleased? maybe in the bill of rights? no? certainly it must be there. ok, maybe it just isn't in my copy - i did buy it online and all. so could you point me to the part where it goes on to explain that what the founding father's meant was a complete eradication of any signs of religion in the public eye? no? weird. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

11-27-2007, 05:16 PM	#3
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	for the record, i do not want the government involved in my faith. i also don't believe that my faith should be thrust upon you via a government entity. that being said i've heard that having a cross with an officer's name on it is a breach of "the separation of church and state". i asked what part of the constitution or amendments specifically points out this "separation", once that part is found please explain how a cross that is not paid for or maintained with tax dollars breaches the separation. i think the crosses are tacky and overdone so i'm not a big fan of them, but how do we get from point A) a family or group of families expresses their grief by putting up a memorial cross on the side of the road, to Point B) The US government is endorsing the Christian faith as the one true faith? __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

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