Compromise is a poison!

juju · 04-22-2003, 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Undertoad
In the world of ideas, compromise is poison. In the real world, it is the antidote.

Quote:

Originally posted by Radar
No, it's poison in the real world too, but it's slow acting poison like ciggarettes.

Heh heh. I just love this guy.

xoxoxoBruce · 04-22-2003, 06:06 PM

How come the poll total says 4 votes when it clearly lists 5?
Is this rigged by people with no friends, that are too stupid to understand fact and the genius of who's name must not be mentioned?

perth · 04-22-2003, 07:40 PM

spelled incorrectly. theres only one 'g' in cigarettes.

~james

juju · 04-22-2003, 09:28 PM

I allowed multiple options to be selected, just for fun. :)

lpret · 04-25-2003, 05:58 PM

I would tend to say that compromise is a necessity in the modern world. You will always come up against something or someone who is different than you, and if you cannot compromise, you will either completely follow anyone else's whims, or become an uncomfortable ogre.

Something my father used to say to me: "Compromise shows you are listening to the other person and take their matters seriously."

xoxoxoBruce · 04-25-2003, 08:50 PM

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become an uncomfortable ogre.

I have to disagree. I'm quite comfortable with ogre. I've been called much worse....often.

smoothmoniker · 04-29-2003, 03:40 PM

"compromise" is a value-neutral idea. It is a functional action, and is ethically weighted based on the material with which it is functioning.

you: "I will torture all babies"
me: "You should torture no babies"
you: "I'll only torture some babies"
me: "I'm glad we reached a compromise"

The ethics of the compromise is obviously negative; here the only morally tenable move is to not compromise at all on the principle of not torturing babies.

you: "We should watch a comedy movie"
me: "We should watch an action movie"
you: "We should watch a Van Dam movie, which is both"
me: "I'm glad we reached a compromise."

Since the material that is being functioned upon is not principular, comprimise avoids conflict, and is therefore good.

you: "Good point, and you're sexy."
me: "Thanks. I appreciate you're insightfulness"
you: "Wanna go get a Beer?"
me: "I'd love to. You buy"
you: "glug glug"
me: "glug glug"
you: "belch"

-sm

xoxoxoBruce · 04-29-2003, 05:22 PM

I think Wolf has some meds you might like.

wolf · 04-30-2003, 12:27 AM

We have a tradition at our hospital of naming the various shots we provide.

For a long time the meds of preference for an agitated and out of control patient were the Trilogy I and Trilogy II ...

Recipes:

Trilogy I: Haldol 5 mg, Ativan 2 mg, Cogentin 1 mg
(Haldol is an antipsychotic which controls/stops the voices, Ativan is an antianxiety medication that calms you down, and Cogentin controls the side effects from the haldol which can include odd facial tics and drooling)

If someone was really out of hand and need more serious sleepy-bye time the Trilogy II was called for ... Haldol 5, Benadryl 50 mg

(yes, that's your favorite allergy medicine ... the soporific effect is also particularly calming for the raging mental patient.)

Well, there are some new injectable meds on the market, which are REALLY good. Because of this we now have two new shots.

I reveal here, for the first time in a public forum, our special names.

Duet: Geodon 20 mg, Ativan 2 mg (I named this one)

G-Spot: Geodon 20 mg

(Yes. This is what we do to amuse ourselves.)

I keep asking to have the meds loaded into a "Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom" tranquilizer dart. I have promised to give the patients a good running head start, but the administration has not yet approved my request.

smoothmoniker · 04-30-2003, 03:47 AM

me: Take the meds
other me: Don't take them!! It's a ploy to get you into the white room
me: I don't care, I want the drugs
other other me: I like the smell of gasoline.
me: unleaded?
other other me: yeah, unleaded.

-sm

juju · 04-30-2003, 10:06 AM

A simulation of craziness:

http://www.npr.org/ramfiles/atc/phar...c.pharmacy.ram

05-01-2003, 07:32 AM

Ah, sm, that was some very welcome comedic relief. I would print that out and hang it in my office but, ya know, big Fortune 500 and all.

wolf · 05-01-2003, 10:19 AM

Unfortunately, Juju, that clip wasn't comical. for me anyway ... That was easily one of the best depictions of the internal experience of schizophrenia that I've seen.

Thanks for finding it. I'm sending it to a couple coworkers as well.

About the only thing they left out (which means that NAMI was involved in the production somewhere) is the crazy guy attacking the pharmacist ... did you notice that her voice became one of the auditory hallucinations about halfway into the clip? That's when crazy people get dangerous ... when others become part of their delusions and halluncinations and the patient thinks that individual is responsible for all or some part of their problems and they try to solve the problem by killing.

juju · 05-01-2003, 11:16 AM

Yeah, I thought it was very well done, too. I can't imagine what it would be like not to be able to trust your own senses.

Whit · 05-01-2003, 01:00 PM

     Yeah, that was cool. Here's a really disturbing thought. If you had a really mild case you might misread, or mishear things and never figure out what was said. If it only happened on rare occasion how would you know?
     I heard another thing like this once... I'll try to dig it up.

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04-22-2003, 06:06 PM	#2
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	How come the poll total says 4 votes when it clearly lists 5? Is this rigged by people with no friends, that are too stupid to understand fact and the genius of who's name must not be mentioned? __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

04-22-2003, 07:40 PM	#3
perth Strong Silent Type Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Fort Collins, CO Posts: 1,949	write in... spelled incorrectly. theres only one 'g' in cigarettes. ~james

04-25-2003, 05:58 PM	#5
lpret Recruit or Something Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Waco, TX Posts: 4	a necessity I would tend to say that compromise is a necessity in the modern world. You will always come up against something or someone who is different than you, and if you cannot compromise, you will either completely follow anyone else's whims, or become an uncomfortable ogre. Something my father used to say to me: "Compromise shows you are listening to the other person and take their matters seriously." __________________ When Alexander the Great visited Diogenes and asked whether he could do anything for the famed teacher, Diogenes replied: 'Only stand out of my light.' Perhaps some day we shall know how to heighten creativity. Until then, one of the best things we can do for creative men and women is to stand out of their light. - John W. Gardner, author and educator (1912-2002)

04-29-2003, 05:22 PM	#8
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	I think Wolf has some meds you might like. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

04-22-2003, 09:28 PM	#4
juju no one of consequence Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Arkansas Posts: 2,839	I allowed multiple options to be selected, just for fun. :)

04-29-2003, 03:40 PM	#7
smoothmoniker to live and die in LA Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 2,090	"compromise" is a value-neutral idea. It is a functional action, and is ethically weighted based on the material with which it is functioning. you: "I will torture all babies" me: "You should torture no babies" you: "I'll only torture some babies" me: "I'm glad we reached a compromise" The ethics of the compromise is obviously negative; here the only morally tenable move is to not compromise at all on the principle of not torturing babies. you: "We should watch a comedy movie" me: "We should watch an action movie" you: "We should watch a Van Dam movie, which is both" me: "I'm glad we reached a compromise." Since the material that is being functioned upon is not principular, comprimise avoids conflict, and is therefore good. you: "Good point, and you're sexy." me: "Thanks. I appreciate you're insightfulness" you: "Wanna go get a Beer?" me: "I'd love to. You buy" you: "glug glug" me: "glug glug" you: "belch" -sm

04-30-2003, 12:27 AM	#9
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	We have a tradition at our hospital of naming the various shots we provide. For a long time the meds of preference for an agitated and out of control patient were the Trilogy I and Trilogy II ... Recipes: Trilogy I: Haldol 5 mg, Ativan 2 mg, Cogentin 1 mg (Haldol is an antipsychotic which controls/stops the voices, Ativan is an antianxiety medication that calms you down, and Cogentin controls the side effects from the haldol which can include odd facial tics and drooling) If someone was really out of hand and need more serious sleepy-bye time the Trilogy II was called for ... Haldol 5, Benadryl 50 mg (yes, that's your favorite allergy medicine ... the soporific effect is also particularly calming for the raging mental patient.) Well, there are some new injectable meds on the market, which are REALLY good. Because of this we now have two new shots. I reveal here, for the first time in a public forum, our special names. Duet: Geodon 20 mg, Ativan 2 mg (I named this one) G-Spot: Geodon 20 mg (Yes. This is what we do to amuse ourselves.) I keep asking to have the meds loaded into a "Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom" tranquilizer dart. I have promised to give the patients a good running head start, but the administration has not yet approved my request. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

04-30-2003, 03:47 AM	#10
smoothmoniker to live and die in LA Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 2,090	me: Take the meds other me: Don't take them!! It's a ploy to get you into the white room me: I don't care, I want the drugs other other me: I like the smell of gasoline. me: unleaded? other other me: yeah, unleaded. -sm

04-30-2003, 10:06 AM	#11
juju no one of consequence Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Arkansas Posts: 2,839	A simulation of craziness: http://www.npr.org/ramfiles/atc/phar...c.pharmacy.ram

05-01-2003, 07:32 AM	#12
dave Guest Posts: n/a	Ah, sm, that was some very welcome comedic relief. I would print that out and hang it in my office but, ya know, big Fortune 500 and all.

05-01-2003, 10:19 AM	#13
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	Unfortunately, Juju, that clip wasn't comical. for me anyway ... That was easily one of the best depictions of the internal experience of schizophrenia that I've seen. Thanks for finding it. I'm sending it to a couple coworkers as well. About the only thing they left out (which means that NAMI was involved in the production somewhere) is the crazy guy attacking the pharmacist ... did you notice that her voice became one of the auditory hallucinations about halfway into the clip? That's when crazy people get dangerous ... when others become part of their delusions and halluncinations and the patient thinks that individual is responsible for all or some part of their problems and they try to solve the problem by killing. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

05-01-2003, 11:16 AM	#14
juju no one of consequence Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Arkansas Posts: 2,839	Yeah, I thought it was very well done, too. I can't imagine what it would be like not to be able to trust your own senses.

05-01-2003, 01:00 PM	#15
Whit Umm ... yeah. Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Arkansas, USA Posts: 949	Yeah, that was cool. Here's a really disturbing thought. If you had a really mild case you might misread, or mishear things and never figure out what was said. If it only happened on rare occasion how would you know?      I heard another thing like this once... I'll try to dig it up. __________________ A friend will help you move. A true friend will help you move a body.

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