There are no illegal immigrants in America

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Radar

My 4 years makes me as much of a veteran as someone with 30 years and I'm certainly better educated, more honest, more patriotic, and have more integrity than you or a million more like you combined.

I certainly can judge those who support violating the U.S. Constitution and who have lied when they took an oath to the American people like you.

I've destroyed your laughable attempts to claim immigration laws are valid and I've shown that you are nothing more than an annoying little turd.

You are certainly as much a Veteran. But that is about it. Your four years of service give you no ability to judge people over an internet forum because they disagree with your fantasy world and how you interpret the Constitutional authority of Congress. Illegal aliens are a tumor on society that needs to be controlled and excised. You have posted no evidence that you hold advanced degrees in law or any other area of expertise that would strengthen your argument. You have posted no factual objective data to support your arguments that Congress has no authority. Again you fail...

[Radar]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

You are certainly as much a Veteran. But that is about it. Your four years of service give you no ability to judge people over an internet forum because they disagree with your fantasy world and how you interpret the Constitutional authority of Congress. Illegal aliens are a tumor on society that needs to be controlled and excised. You have posted no evidence that you hold advanced degrees in law or any other area of expertise that would strengthen your argument. You have posted no factual objective data to support your arguments that Congress has no authority. Again you fail...

My veteran status does not give me the ability to judge pathological liars and morons like you on the internet, but my many years as a Constitutional scholar and my superior education certainly does. One does not need a degree in law to read the simple English in the Constitution.

I've posted objective, factual, indisputable facts that the U.S. Government has absolutely zero authority to create or enforce immigration laws. Specifically I posted the 10th amendment which states that all things not listed in the Constitution are powers of the states or rights of the people and I proved that immigration is not listed and thwarted a few laughable attempts to stretch the Constitution by misusing the parts that allow government to repel invading hostile forces, the importation and migration of slaves, the ability of Congress to make rules concerning naturalization (not immigration), and the necessary and proper clause.

My argument doesn't need strengthening. It is air-tight, factual, and indisputable.

I've proven you to be nothing but a laughably stupid, racist, pathologically lying, asshole. You, and your moronic ilk, are more of a cancer to America than every undocumented immigrant to ever come to America.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Radar

My veteran status does not give me the ability to judge pathological liars and morons like you on the internet, but my many years as a Constitutional scholar and my superior education certainly does. One does not need a degree in law to read the simple English in the Constitution.

I've posted objective, factual, indisputable facts that the U.S. Government has absolutely zero authority to create or enforce immigration laws. Specifically I posted the 10th amendment which states that all things not listed in the Constitution are powers of the states or rights of the people and I proved that immigration is not listed and thwarted a few laughable attempts to stretch the Constitution by misusing the parts that allow government to repel invading hostile forces, the importation and migration of slaves, the ability of Congress to make rules concerning naturalization (not immigration), and the necessary and proper clause.

My argument doesn't need strengthening. It is air-tight, factual, and indisputable.

I've proven you to be nothing but a laughably stupid, racist, pathologically lying, asshole. You, and your moronic ilk, are more of a cancer to America than every undocumented immigrant to ever come to America.

You loze again... failed to provide objective facts other than your rants. Is tw your twin brother?

[Radar]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

You loze again... failed to provide objective facts other than your rants. Is tw your twin brother?

I have provided objective facts many times over.

Objective and Verifiable Fact: The 10th amendment PROHIBITS the federal government from legislating or taking part in anything not specifically enumerated in the Constitution and RESERVES everything not listed in the Constitution as a power of the states or a right of the people.


Objective and Verifiable Fact: No part of the U.S. Constitution mentions immigration as one of the powers of the federal government.

End of story. Nothing you say matters beyond this. No mention of the many unconstitutional federal immigration laws matters. No mention of U.S. Code, or court cases, or unconstitutional government departments like ICE matters. No law, court decision, or branch of government matters because they are all below the U.S. Constitution.

So once again, we see what you really are...

[Radar]

The Truth about Undocumented Immigration



Undocumented Immigrants Effect on Social Security

• Undocumented immigrants compose about three percent of the total US population. (Josiah Heyman of the University of Texas at El Paso)
  
• The estimated seven million or so illegal immigrant workers in the United States are now providing the Social Security system with a subsidy of about $7 billion a year. (The New York Times)
  
• Immigrants contribute billions of dollars annually but receive no public pension in retirement, are not eligible for Medicare, and are not entitled to any other benefits. (Social Security Administration)
  
• Most undocumented workers pay taxes, and they pay a variety of taxes. (The New York Times)
  
• The money that undocumented immigrants paid in 2004 added up to about 10 percent of that year's surplus - the difference between what the system currently receives in payroll taxes and what it pays in pension benefits. (Social Security Administration)
  
• The money paid by illegal workers and their employers is factored into all the Social Security Administration's projections. (Social Security Administration)
  
• After the 1986 passage of the Immigration Reform and Control Act, the Social Security Administration began receiving mountains of W-2 earnings reports with incorrect or fake Social Security numbers, and placed them in the "earnings suspense file." Since then, the file has grown, on average, by more than $50 billion a year, generating $6 billion to $7 billion in Social Security tax revenue and about $1.5 billion in Medicare taxes. (Center for Urban Economic Development at the University of Illinois at Chicago)
  
• Many older workers return home to Latin America when they reach retirement age. (BusinessWeek)

The Healthcare System and Undocumented Immigrants

• Immigrants are not swamping the U.S. health care system and use it far less than native-born Americans. (The American Journal of Public Health)
  
• Immigrants accounted for 10.4 percent of the U.S. population but only 7.9 percent of total health spending and 8 percent of government health spending. (The American Journal of Public Health)
  
• Thirty percent of immigrants use no health care at all during the course of a year. (The American Journal of Public Health)
  
• Immigrant children spent or cost $270 a year, compared to $1,059 for native-born children. (The American Journal of Public Health)
  
• Most immigrants have health insurance. (The American Journal of Public Health)
  
• In reality, if more restrictions were placed on health care for immigrants, very little money would be saved, and many immigrant children would be put at grave risk. Many immigrant children already fail to get regular checkups, and as a result, more end up needing emergency care, or get no care at all. (The American Journal of Public Health)
  
• Many immigrants actually help to subsidize health care and social security for the rest the country. (Marcelo Suárez-Orozco, co-director of immigration studies at New York University)
  
• Immigrants pay taxes -- including Medicare payroll taxes -- and most pay health insurance premiums, but they receive only half as much care as other families. (The American Journal of Public Health)

Economic Impact of Undocumented Immigrants

• Undocumented immigrants have become a new source of economic growth as giant U.S. consumer companies like banks, insurers, mortgage lenders, credit-card outfits, phone carriers, and others aggressively market to over 11 million undocumented customers. (BusinessWeek)
  
• Undocumented immigrants add 600,000 to 700,000 new consumers to the economy every year. (Pew Research Center)
  
• 84% of undocumented immigrants are 18-to-44-year-olds, in their prime spending years, vs. 60% of legal residents. (BusinessWeek)
  
• Allowing immigrants financial privileges boosts corporate profits because it enables them to move out of the cash economy, put their money in banks, and take out credit cards, car loans, and home mortgages. U.S. gross national product also surges because consumers with credit can spend more than those limited to cash. (BusinessWeek)
  
• When more undocumented immigrants pay income and property taxes, they help ease the tax burden for others when it comes to paying for schools, health care, roads, and other services immigrants use. (BusinessWeek)
  
• Letting the undocumented save and invest, could also result in a decline in crime because if immigrants are allowed to protect their money in banks, the rate of hold ups and robberies in Latino or immigrant neighborhoods drop. (Austin Police Department)
  
• Immigrants benefit the economy more than they take away in social services. (National Academy of the Sciences)
  
• In 2004, Arizona suffered severe labor shortages and huge quantities of lettuce went unpicked because growers lacked pickers. In 2005, the Central Valley in California had 70,000 to 80,000 labor positions that were unfilled. Legalizing workers would alleviate such labor shortages. (Benjamin Powell, economist at the Independent Institute)
  
• Immigrants are one of the main labor sources for the rebuilding and clean-up effort in post-Katrina Louisiana and Mississippi. (NewAmericanMedia.org)
  
• As much as half of all U.S. retail banking growth is expected to come from new immigrants over the next decade. (The Federal Deposit Insurance Corp)
  
• Hundreds of thousands of undocumented immigrant households earn enough to qualify for $95,000 mortgages. (National Association of Hispanic Real Estate Professionals)
  
• ITIN and conventional mortgages taken out by undocumented could be worth as much as $60 billion over the next five years. (National Association of Hispanic Real Estate Professionals) Undocumented immigrants now comprise fully half of all farm laborers, up from 12% in 1990. (US Department of Labor)
  
• Undocumented immigrants are 25% of workers in the meat and poultry industry, 24% of dishwashers, and 27% of drywall and ceiling tile installers. (The Pew Research Center)
  
• The overall proportion of unauthorized workers in the labor force is 4.3%. Employers from many sectors of the US economy employ unauthorized immigrants – including enormous amounts of private US households. (Josiah Heyman of the University of Texas at El Paso)
  
• The estimated population growth rate in Mexico is declining rapidly and may soon be slower than that in the US. (United Nations)
  
• Immigrants benefit the United States economy but their potential remains hindered by current laws. They do not deplete government resources, as is widely believed. (Benjamin Powell, economist at the Independent Institute)
  
• Undocumented add at least $22 billion, in total, to the economy each year, and legalizing their status would increase that amount. (Benjamin Powell, economist at the Independent Institute).

National Security and the Undocumented

• None of the 9/11 terrorists entered the country via the US/Mexico border. In fact, the US is most vulnerable at its ports of entry, including ship ports, airports, and land ports. (Josiah Heyman of the University of Texas at El Paso).
  
• It is not easy to immigrate to the US legally as it often takes decades before an individual can obtain many kinds of legal immigrant visas. (Josiah Heyman of the University of Texas at El Paso).
  
• Working with Mexico is central to the future of controlling the US border. Through cooperation with Mexico, the US will be able to isolate criminals, publicize rules, and identify forms of Mexican identification. (Peter Laufer, former NBC new correspondent).
  
• Enhanced border enforcement only increases the number of deaths of men, women, and children at the border annually. Areas with heavy border security see up to 100 additional deaths a year. (Josiah Heyman of the University of Texas at El Paso).
  
• While heavy border does not stop the volume of unauthorized border crossing, it does increase the costs and risks of coming to the US, including death, injury, and the use of smugglers. It also reduces the number of back and forth trips, forcing undocumented immigrants to stay longer. (Josiah Heyman of the University of Texas at El Paso).