I found out today

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by sycamore

So...you have a supposed fact. Not that your source isn't reliable, but it's not like it's right in front of you. Anyway...you have this supposed fact...what do you think should be done in this particular situation (not in general, as you've already stated your thoughts on that)?

I don't know. It is a question often discussed in the circles I run. I would love to ship them all home when they hit about the 8th month but it really would not be a good natured thing to do. The problem needs to be addressed on a larger scale because we are paying for it and it is drying up our resources. Maybe we should make the country of origin pay for it. Take there cash right out of the bank. I really do not know. Honest.

My opinion is that we need to close the borders up tight before any action in the country to deal with illegal immigration is attempted. Even if only for a temporary time period.

[tw]

If I remember what she said; MIT's president said 7% of America students are foreigners. At MIT, the audience was asked to raise their hands if they were born outside the US. 25% of hands went up. They were asked to keep their hands up. Those whose parents were not born in America were asked to raise hands. Something exceeding 50% of the hands. Those whose grandparent was not born in America. Something less than 100% had hands raised. Guess who are America's greatest patriots? Did they get to MIT due to the same government welfare that TheMercenary complains about? Where the best American patriots are located, the vast majority are third generation immigrants or earlier.

How to make America greater? We need more immigrants. We need less of those who fear America's greatest source of innovation. What defines the most patriotic Americans? They innovate. Hate of immigrants therefore would be anti-American.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by tw

If I remember what she said; MIT's president said 7% of America students are foreigners. At MIT, the audience was asked to raise their hands if they were born outside the US. 25% of hands went up. They were asked to keep their hands up. Those whose parents were not born in America were asked to raise hands. Something exceeding 50% of the hands. Those whose grandparent was not born in America. Something less than 100% had hands raised. Guess who are America's greatest patriots? Did they get to MIT due to the same government welfare that TheMercenary complains about? Where the best American patriots are located, the vast majority are third generation immigrants or earlier.

How to make America greater? We need more immigrants. We need less of those who fear America's greatest source of innovation. What defines the most patriotic Americans? They innovate. Hate of immigrants therefore would be anti-American.

It isn't about foreigners idiot. It is about people who are in this country breaking our laws by being here. I fully expect and welcome anyone who would like to come here and follow the rules to citizenship or enter legally. We need them and should welcome them. We need a strong registered migrant worker program. Fuck everyone else who comes here illegally. Send them home and make them re-apply. It will be painful but we need to start somewhere. Time to deal with the issue on a national level. I have no hate of legal immigration.

[tw]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

It isn't about foreigners idiot.

Idoit? You want to discuss logically or will you again let your penis talk for you. Words of insult are used by those who have no logical grasp. It asks, "What are you grasping as you write your posts." No wonder your posts contain so much hate. Relax. Stop squeezing it.

Your right. It's not about foreigners. Its about the source of your hate and eyes that overtly ignore why America needs so many illegal immigrants.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by tw

Idoit? You want to discuss logically or will you again let your penis talk for you. Words of insult are used by those who have no logical grasp. It asks, "What are you grasping as you write your posts." No wonder your posts contain so much hate. Relax. Stop squeezing it.

Your right. It's not about foreigners. Its about the source of your hate and eyes that overtly ignore why America needs so many illegal immigrants.

It is not about hate idiot. It is about illegals who are busting our bank.

[tw]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

My opinion is that we need to close the borders up tight before any action in the country to deal with illegal immigration is attempted.

American agriculture needs 1.8 million immigrants. So we only offer 20,000 work permits. Then when 1.8million must be illegal to do the work we need done, instead, we blame the workers?

Reason we have massive illegal immigration are laws that make it necessary for immigrants to be illegal. Eliminate the stupid laws and intentional restrictions - the immigrants come here legally.

A friend asked me to help him with an immigration form necessary to stay and work here. The form was so poorly worded (same concept never described by the same word even twice) that I could not understand what was supposed to be written in about one half the blanks. He had to take this simple form to an immigration attorney for $400.

Even the internet instructions said to call a phone number; could not provide any instructions. Just another example of why American regulations make it necessary to be illegal. Most every form required a lawyer - and hundreds of dollars. Just another problem ignored by those who promote fear of immigrants.

We don't have an illegal immigration problem. We have problems that 'those who fear' ignore - assuming they even understand the real problem.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by tw

American agriculture needs 1.8 million immigrants.

So send the other 16 million home.

[tw]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

So send the other 16 million home.

Other American industries need the rest.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Other American Industries employ Chinese and Indians.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Other American Industries employ Chinese and Indians.

Yea, in China and India.

[tw]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Other American Industries employ Chinese and Indians.

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Yea, in China and India.

The term in the Silicon Valley is "ICs". Are they discussing Integrated Circuits? No. IC represent more than 50% of the employees now in the Silicon Valley - Indian and Chinese. But again, TheMercenary posted hate without first learning facts. That is so common among Americans who use derision to somehow blame it all on immigrants and unions and ...

TheMercenary - why do you know so much without first learning the details? Did you learn all this at the last cross burning?

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by tw

TheMercenary - why do you know so much without first learning the details? Did you learn all this at the last cross burning?

tw, why are you such an Idiot? I know nothing of cross burnings. I am not from the South.