The Federal Government Has No Immigration Powers

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Radar

Federation for American Immigration Reform
Washington, D.C.
www.fairus.org

The problem with your whine is that the majority of things they post are well footnoted and referenced. For example:

Information on Criminal Aliens Incarcerated in Federal and State Prisons and Local Jails
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d05337r.pdf

[Radar]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

The problem with your whine is that the majority of things they post are well footnoted and referenced. For example:

Information on Criminal Aliens Incarcerated in Federal and State Prisons and Local Jails
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d05337r.pdf

The problem with your stupidity and intellectual dishonesty (assuming you've even got enough brain cells to use the word "intellectual" to describe you) is you don't even read your own posts.

In GAO document you posted, they define criminal alien as...

Noncitizens who are residing in the United States LEGALLY or illegally and convicted of a crime.

As I stated earlier, prisons don't keep track of the number of undocumented immigrants. They only keep track of non-citizens who have committed crimes. While I contend that over half of these crimes are committed by those who are here with papers, we can divide by half the number you posted.

This means in all U.S. Prisons there were 38,500 undocumented immigrants in all of America's prisons. According to most of the racist, lying, xenophobic, and retarded sites that your ilk use there are over 20 million undocumented immigrants in America. This means less than a quarter of 1 percent of undocumented immigrants are convicted of crimes.

According to this New York Times Article from 5 days ago, the U.S. has 2,258,983 criminals behind bars.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/23/us...hp&oref=slogin

Let's subtract the 38,500 undocumented immigrants from this number to get 2,220,483. The U.S. Population is 301,139,947. Subtract 20 million for undocumented immigrants so you have 281,139,947. This means we have 789 American citizens per 1000 in the population who are criminals. There are 193 undocumented immigrants per 1000 in the population of undocumented immigrants who are criminals.

American citizens are more than 4 times as likely to be criminals than undocumented immigrants.

If you realize that 11% of our federal prisoners are there for not complying with unconstitutional federal immigration laws (aka non-criminals) that number becomes significantly higher.

Undocumented immigrants are overwhelmingly less likely to commit crimes than American citizens and they most certainly are not the ones filling our jails.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Radar

The problem with your stupidity and intellectual dishonesty (assuming you've even got enough brain cells to use the word "intellectual" to describe you) is you don't even read your own posts.

In GAO document you posted, they define criminal alien as...

Noncitizens who are residing in the United States LEGALLY or illegally and convicted of a crime.

As I stated earlier, prisons don't keep track of the number of undocumented immigrants. They only keep track of non-citizens who have committed crimes. While I contend that over half of these crimes are committed by those who are here with papers, we can divide by half the number you posted.

This means in all U.S. Prisons there were 38,500 undocumented immigrants in all of America's prisons. According to most of the racist, lying, xenophobic, and retarded sites that your ilk use there are over 20 million undocumented immigrants in America. This means less than a quarter of 1 percent of undocumented immigrants are convicted of crimes.

According to this New York Times Article from 5 days ago, the U.S. has 2,258,983 criminals behind bars.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/23/us...hp&oref=slogin

Let's subtract the 38,500 undocumented immigrants from this number to get 2,220,483. The U.S. Population is 301,139,947. Subtract 20 million for undocumented immigrants so you have 281,139,947. This means we have 789 American citizens per 1000 in the population who are criminals. There are 193 undocumented immigrants per 1000 in the population of undocumented immigrants who are criminals.

American citizens are more than 4 times as likely to be criminals than undocumented immigrants.

If you realize that 11% of our federal prisoners are there for not complying with unconstitutional federal immigration laws (aka non-criminals) that number becomes significantly higher.

Undocumented immigrants are overwhelmingly less likely to commit crimes than American citizens and they most certainly are not the ones filling our jails.

Does not change the fact that illegal aliens cost this country billions more than they contribute. It would not matter if they were a mere 10% of the prison population. How many they are is less of an issue than how much they are costing us.

From the GAO report:

Data represent only a portion of the total population of criminal aliens who may be incarcerated at the local level, since SCAAP does not reimburse localities for all criminal aliens.

And yes they do keep track of the numbers, page 13:

State and local jurisdictions voluntarily submit data annually on inmates they suspect to be criminal aliens for possible reimbursement. The program reimburses these jurisdictions for criminal aliens who

• were convicted of a felony or two misdemeanors and incarcerated for a minimum of 4 days and
• entered the U.S. without inspection, or were in immigration removal proceedings at the time they were taken into custody; or were admitted as a nonimmigrant and failed to maintain nonimmigrant status.1 {Illegal Aliens}

[Radar]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Does not change the fact that illegal aliens cost this country billions more than they contribute.

Like most things you post, that is the exact opposite of the truth. Undocumented immigrants contribute BILLIONS more in taxes than they cost us in services.

They are not costing American tax payers a single penny. They are a net gain to the economy and the tax base. And no, the prison system does not keep stats of legal vs. illegal immigrants. The only classify non-citizens (both documented and undocumented) as "criminal aliens"

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Radar

Like most things you post, that is the exact opposite of the truth. Undocumented immigrants contribute BILLIONS more in taxes than they cost us in services.

They are not costing American tax payers a single penny. They are a net gain to the economy and the tax base. And no, the prison system does not keep stats of legal vs. illegal immigrants. The only classify non-citizens (both documented and undocumented) as "criminal aliens"

Some illegal aliens contribute. Most do not.

[Radar]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Some illegal aliens contribute. Most do not.

Most of them work and they buy things. Most do not collect any kind of public assistance. Whatever the number is of those who contribute, it amounts to billions and billions more paid in taxes than they use in services.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Radar

As I stated earlier, prisons don't keep track of the number of undocumented immigrants. They only keep track of non-citizens who have committed crimes. While I contend that over half of these crimes are committed by those who are here with papers, we can divide by half the number you posted.

This means in all U.S. Prisons there were 38,500 undocumented immigrants in all of America's prisons.

The problem with your thinking is that you pulle the number 38,500 out of your ass. You can't support your numbers with real data.

This study from NY completely puts your numbers to shame. 36% were illegal.

http://www.docs.state.ny.us/Research...rn_Inmates.pdf

[Radar]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

The problem with your thinking is that you pulle the number 38,500 out of your ass. You can't support your numbers with real data.

This study from NY completely puts your numbers to shame. 36% were illegal.

http://www.docs.state.ny.us/Research...rn_Inmates.pdf

I used national statistics, not state statistics numbnuts.