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[dar512]

Originally Posted by Bullitt

Ok, choose to "steal, "pirate", etc. My take is: I enjoy the music, but I do not enjoy monetarily supporting the bigwigs and asshats in the music labels, RIAA, etc. My purchasing a CD from them is just another mojito on the beach for some overpaid exec who is jabbing away on the phone to his buddies about more DRM strategies to further put a stranglehold on the public's ability to use music files, while his bimbo of a wife is asking her tennis coach if she should get a boob job.

Oh, please. Have you stopped paying for gas because big oil is making record profits?

This is just an excuse to get something for nothing. You want to boycott the major labels? Stop listening to their music.

[lumberjim]

Source: WordNet (r) 1.7
wet blanket
n : (informal) someone who spoils the pleasure of others [syn: spoilsport,
killjoy, party pooper , dar512]

[glatt]

The only reason he's effective as a wet blanket is because he is right. If he was wrong, his words would have no impact.

[dar512]

mor·al

1 a: of or relating to principles of right and wrong in behavior : ethical <moral judgments> b: expressing or teaching a conception of right behavior <a moral poem> c: conforming to a standard of right behavior d: sanctioned by or operative on one's conscience or ethical judgment <a moral obligation> e: capable of right and wrong action <a moral agent>

[lumberjim]

[dar512]

Wow. That's some serious debating skills you've got there my friend.

[footfootfoot]

I suppose, just because corporations may not always act ethically and or morally that does not give us license to act unethically or immorally. Tempting though it may be. (If all your friends were freebasing then jumping off a bridge, would you do it too?)

As for the question of "who gets hurt" (is it the fluffers, or stunt men, or recording artists?) Who really gets hurt in this type of thing is the person stealing the song. There are millions of justifications for stealing, but they all remain justifications.

*my friend's* main interest in apps like limewire isn't to beat the record companies out of 99 cents, but more to find obscure tracks which other folks may have uploaded which are not available for purchase.

I'd rather have the CD with the liner notes and all that stuff. But I think the entire Beatles catalog should be free considering that I've bought the license for those songs at least five times.

[Bullitt]

Originally Posted by dar512

Oh, please. Have you stopped paying for gas because big oil is making record profits?

This is just an excuse to get something for nothing. You want to boycott the major labels? Stop listening to their music.

No because I don't have another choice than to buy gas for my car. There's no puiblic transportation here, and biking is out of the question due to distance. If someone was cloning gasoline and giving it away on the street corner, I would sure as hell be in line to get some.

How about I keep listening to the music, but do my share to make it that much less profitable for them. Sounds like a better way to boycott to me, so I'll keep doing it. Cheers.

[dar512]

Originally Posted by footfootfoot

But I think the entire Beatles catalog should be free considering that I've bought the license for those songs at least five times.

Not that the Beatles catalog should be free to everyone. But I think if someone has already paid for the White Album, say, on vinyl, I don't have an ethical issue with that person duping the White Album CDs from the library, since they have already paid for the performance.

[dar512]

Originally Posted by Bullitt

How about I keep listening to the music, but do my share to make it that much less profitable for them. Sounds like a better way to boycott to me, so I'll keep doing it. Cheers.

I'm sure you will do as you like; but it's certainly not an ethical way to live. Just because something is easy to do, and just because a lot of people are doing it, doesn't make it right.

Your conscience must be pretty gullible to fall for such a flimsy excuse as that.

[Bullitt]

Originally Posted by dar512

Just because something is easy to do, and just because a lot of people are doing it, doesn't make it right.

Right on.

Your conscience must be pretty gullible to fall for such a flimsy excuse as that.

Not so much.
I don't mean to give the impression that I download every piece of music I have. I have used iTunes before, but it frustrated me that I couldn't do what I wanted with the music files I downloaded and paid for. I wasn't trying to do anything illegal with them either mind you. And like I said, I love supporting local artists by attending their shows/concerts and buying their CD's and merchandise. Same with groups like the Cleveland Orchestra, etc. I just have a problem with paying for music that is mostly benfiting people who having nothing to do with the creation of said music.

[lumberjim]

Originally Posted by dar512

Wow. That's some serious debating skills you've got there my friend.

yeah, sorry to break out the big guns on you right away like that, but I was pressed for time.

[footfootfoot]

http://www.cellar.org/showpost.php?p...2&postcount=17

Copyright violation is only a problem when someone else does it...

[dar512]

You're right. I should have linked.

UT. Can you delete that post please?

[footfootfoot]

ah it was a cheap shot on my part