Iraq is nearly over. BTW we won. - Page 9

Radar · 09-03-2008, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by tw

Technically we also won in Nam because body counts also proved we were winning. No poltiical settlement in Nam or Iraq? Deja Vue. We just ignore basic military poltical principles to declare victory. Clearly a light at the end of the tunnel. UT tells us it is so.

Actually, it's the end of the Bush nightmare, so suddenly without any change in circumstances, they magically want to declare victory...and what an empty victory it is.

UG is always the apologist for tyrrany .... as long as it's America who is the tyrant.

Undertoad · 09-03-2008, 10:16 AM

No political reconciliation could take place when factions were fighting mob-style for control of the country. Now that this aspect is over - Iraq took control of Basra the other day, in the midst of more important news about teen pregnancies - they have to remain united in the face of the threat of Iran, and the majority wants to stay united. The ending of violence allows reconciliation to go ahead - and it is.

xoxoxoBruce · 09-03-2008, 11:29 AM

I can't help but wonder if the baddies just decided to lay low until the U.S. draws down it's presence?

lookout123 · 09-03-2008, 11:30 AM

could be. I'm still waiting for the Germans to strike again.

BigV · 09-03-2008, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

I can't help but wonder if the baddies just decided to lay low until the U.S. draws down it's presence?

That sounds plausible, likely even. Then the question becomes "What happens then?". Can we possibly prevent such an outcome? Should we? When does it become a local problem?

Certainly no one expects there to be perfect harmony, order without dissent, even violent dissent. Some level of this dissent is ... criminal misbehavior. And in my estimation, the responsibility for the response to crime is the purview of the justice and law enforcement arms of the state. Not our state.

Some greater level of dissent, exceeding the state's ability to maintain order, is beyond criminal misbehavior--it is revolution. Or, liberation, depending on the color of the jersey. On whose side will we be then?

Griff · 09-03-2008, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by lookout123

could be. I'm still waiting for the Germans to strike again.

The Germans

lookout123 · 09-03-2008, 11:58 AM

Thanks Griff. That made me LOL just a little.

BigV · 09-03-2008, 11:59 AM

bwahahahah!

lookout123 · 09-03-2008, 12:00 PM

what channel is that on, anyway? I love new shows.

classicman · 09-03-2008, 12:01 PM

Perhaps they're just waiting till the democrats take over and remove as many troops as they can. Then the baddies will do whatever they want - they know the democrats won't retaliate. They'll just blame the previous administration.

Undertoad · 09-03-2008, 12:24 PM

The US turned Anwar over to the Iraqi army and policemen who are now in charge of maintaining order there.

lookout123 · 09-03-2008, 12:27 PM

Wait a minute! The D's won't let us drill for oil because of the cute animals but we'll turn it over the Iraqi's??? and won't they be cold up there anyway? I'm telling you we better investigate this Palin character some more.

Undertoad · 09-03-2008, 02:14 PM

Anbar.

Clodfobble · 09-03-2008, 02:18 PM

That's why he chose Sarah Palin! We're giving ANWR to the Iraqis!!!

lookout123 · 09-03-2008, 02:19 PM

i figured. i just thought the image of a bunch of iraqis running around the alaskan wilderness was kind of funny.

09-03-2008, 11:29 AM	#123
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09-03-2008, 11:30 AM	#124
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	could be. I'm still waiting for the Germans to strike again. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

09-03-2008, 11:58 AM	#127
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	Thanks Griff. That made me LOL just a little. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

09-03-2008, 11:59 AM	#128
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09-03-2008, 12:00 PM	#129
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	what channel is that on, anyway? I love new shows. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

09-03-2008, 10:16 AM	#122
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	No political reconciliation could take place when factions were fighting mob-style for control of the country. Now that this aspect is over - Iraq took control of Basra the other day, in the midst of more important news about teen pregnancies - they have to remain united in the face of the threat of Iran, and the majority wants to stay united. The ending of violence allows reconciliation to go ahead - and it is.

09-03-2008, 12:01 PM	#130
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Perhaps they're just waiting till the democrats take over and remove as many troops as they can. Then the baddies will do whatever they want - they know the democrats won't retaliate. They'll just blame the previous administration. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

09-03-2008, 12:24 PM	#131
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	The US turned Anwar over to the Iraqi army and policemen who are now in charge of maintaining order there.

09-03-2008, 12:27 PM	#132
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	Wait a minute! The D's won't let us drill for oil because of the cute animals but we'll turn it over the Iraqi's??? and won't they be cold up there anyway? I'm telling you we better investigate this Palin character some more. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

09-03-2008, 02:14 PM	#133
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Anbar.

09-03-2008, 02:18 PM	#134
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09-03-2008, 02:19 PM	#135
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	i figured. i just thought the image of a bunch of iraqis running around the alaskan wilderness was kind of funny. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

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