Ending on "9"

Flint · 10-02-2008, 02:20 PM

When a song ends on a final downbeat, the "1" of a measure that isn't played out, I call that "ending on 9." Does anybody else consider the end of a song to be a single measure of 9/8?

BigV · 10-02-2008, 02:25 PM

yes.

happy now?

Pie · 10-02-2008, 02:26 PM

whatthehuuuh?

dar512 · 10-02-2008, 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flint

When a song ends on a final downbeat, the "1" of a measure that isn't played out, I call that "ending on 9." Does anybody else consider the end of a song to be a single measure of 9/8?

No. I consider it a hanging measure with a single beat and a long rest.

Most music is written that way.

Same with pickup notes at the beginning of a song.

I think most musicians would expect 9/8 to have a different rhythm.

Undertoad · 10-02-2008, 03:27 PM

What about starting on 4 or 3 1/2? Does that mean there's a new "1" and we have to revise the count?

J always argues with me because she enjoys it.

UT: Whenever I'm walking and there's music, I have to put my left foot down on 1. Because I was in marching band.
J: 1 is meaningless. What if they called one "7"?
UT: There's still 1. There will always be 1.
J: But if one was called "7" there wouldn't be 1.
UT: No, it's a musical thing, there's always a 1. There has to be, it's natural and instinctive.
J: But still - what if there was no number one?
UT: No mathematical 1? You're just playing with me now.

dar512 · 10-02-2008, 03:32 PM

There can only be one.

lumberjim · 10-02-2008, 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Undertoad

~~ Because I was in marching band.
~~.

FAG

BigV · 10-02-2008, 03:56 PM

Keepin it on the one:

Bullitt · 10-02-2008, 04:21 PM

Bootsy's Basic Funk Formula has touched my soul in ways I will never be able to fully comprehend.

limey · 10-06-2008, 06:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dar512

No. I consider it a hanging measure with a single beat and a long rest.

Most music is written that way.

Same with pickup notes at the beginning of a song.

I think most musicians would expect 9/8 to have a different rhythm.

I'm with dar on this one. 9/8 would be three beats subdivided into 3 sub-beats ...

ZenGum · 10-06-2008, 07:45 AM

Well if it is ending on a ONE the dynamics would give it away.
I'll explain my point of view with 4/4 time to save me typing.

We don't play one two three four. We play ONE two THREE four.

So you can play
ONE two THREE four ONE.
Or
ONE two THREE four five.

If you do the former, your ending one one. If the latter, you're ending on five (or nine, as the case may be.)

My tastes as a strictly amateur guitarist would be ending on ONE. Or maybe four. I can never stop at one.

SteveDallas · 10-06-2008, 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Undertoad

J: But still - what if there was no number one?
UT: No mathematical 1? You're just playing with me now.

There might not be a numeral 1.
There would still be a number 1.

Trilby · 10-06-2008, 09:59 AM

11.

classicman · 10-06-2008, 11:01 AM

$42.50

monster · 10-08-2008, 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by classicman

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10-02-2008, 02:20 PM	#1
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Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	What about starting on 4 or 3 1/2? Does that mean there's a new "1" and we have to revise the count? J always argues with me because she enjoys it. UT: Whenever I'm walking and there's music, I have to put my left foot down on 1. Because I was in marching band. J: 1 is meaningless. What if they called one "7"? UT: There's still 1. There will always be 1. J: But if one was called "7" there wouldn't be 1. UT: No, it's a musical thing, there's always a 1. There has to be, it's natural and instinctive. J: But still - what if there was no number one? UT: No mathematical 1? You're just playing with me now.

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ZenGum Doctor Wtf Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Badelaide, Baustralia Posts: 12,861	Well if it is ending on a ONE the dynamics would give it away. I'll explain my point of view with 4/4 time to save me typing. We don't play one two three four. We play ONE two THREE four. So you can play ONE two THREE four ONE. Or ONE two THREE four five. If you do the former, your ending one one. If the latter, you're ending on five (or nine, as the case may be.) My tastes as a strictly amateur guitarist would be ending on ONE. Or maybe four. I can never stop at one. __________________ Shut up and hug. MoreThanPretty, Nov 5, 2008. Just because I'm nominally polite, does not make me a pussy. Sundae Girl.

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