Times are tough all over

[Cicero]

"but certainly things like child support and state pensions are seen as rights, not welfare."

Awesome SG. Very well put....I have some ideas for a non-profit but the first primary mission would be to neutralize the stigmas associated with program, and not rub it down and soak it in pity;marginalization. Let people have some dignity, and utilize a non-profit. As a right not welfare. This means that the acquisition of state and city grants would not be solely on their terms to disparage the interested.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Cicero

"but certainly things like child support and state pensions are seen as rights, not welfare."

Awesome SG. Very well put....I have some ideas for a non-profit but the first primary mission would be to neutralize the stigmas associated with program, and not rub it down and soak it in pity;marginalization. Let people have some dignity, and utilize a non-profit. As a right not welfare. This means that the acquisition of state and city grants would not be solely on their terms to disparage the interested.

Child support should come from the penis that supplied the sperm, not form the state that had nothing to do with the sexual act.

[Cicero]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Child support should come from the penis that supplied the sperm, not form the state that had nothing to do with the sexual act.

Yes it should. Agreed. But daddy is in jail on drug charges so maybe it's impossible, because daddy is a dumb ass. Kids should not suffer because of the actions of their parents. So uh would you like for them to starve and get no healthcare or education, is this what you are suggesting? Not that this isn't happening or anything. Hey let's turn into Africa and have non profits come in to spread christianity and food with no sustainable plan for the future. That sounds fantastic.

What is your plan again?

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Cicero

Yes it should. Agreed. But daddy is in jail on drug charges so maybe it's impossible, because daddy is a dumb ass. Kids should not suffer because of the actions of their parents. So uh would you like for them to starve and get no healthcare or education, is this what you are suggesting? Not that this isn't happening or anything. Hey let's turn into Africa and have non profits come in to spread christianity and food with no sustainable plan for the future. That sounds fantastic.

What is your plan again?

My plan. You should have a license before you are allowed to be pregnant. If your dumb ass hooked up with a drug addict then maybe you should starve, but your kid should go to someone who can actually care for it. Non--profits can not save you.

[dar512]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

You should have a license before you are allowed to be pregnant.

You think the government is qualified to decide who should be allowed to be pregnant? Do you really want to give that power to the state?

[BigV]

Originally Posted by dar512

You think the government is qualified to decide who should be allowed to be pregnant? Do you really want to give that power to the state?

Move to China.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by BigV

Move to China.

Fuck China. There is a perfect example of why communism has failed the people. Now were going to get Obama? Maybe China has already moved here.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by dar512

You think the government is qualified to decide who should be allowed to be pregnant? Do you really want to give that power to the state?

No, but stupid rhetorical questions get stupid rhetorical answers.

[dar512]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

No, but stupid rhetorical questions get stupid rhetorical answers.

Well I think it's great that you can admit that some of your posts are stupid.

Now if you can just give us a hint on sorting out which is which.


You see my point here, right?

[Cicero]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

My plan. You should have a license before you are allowed to be pregnant. If your dumb ass hooked up with a drug addict then maybe you should starve, but your kid should go to someone who can actually care for it. Non--profits can not save you.

Srsly. I was asking for your plan so you don't have to pay for anything. Which seems to be the moral bottom line for you. Hey let's work it out so you specifically won't have to pay for anything ever...mmm...K?


Really, what is your other suggestion. It wasn't a rhetorical question. If people aren't doing it right how would you have it done, outside of the ridiculous idea of licenseing. (in which case assholes would also have to get one) Scary ain't it?

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Cicero

Srsly. I was asking for your plan so you don't have to pay for anything. Which seems to be the moral bottom line for you. Hey let's work it out so you specifically won't have to pay for anything ever...mmm...K?


Really, what is your other suggestion. It wasn't a rhetorical question. If people aren't doing it right how would you have it done, outside of the ridiculous idea of licenseing. (in which case assholes would also have to get one) Scary ain't it?

Ok. No it is not that I don't want to pay anything myself. Everyone should pay. All people should pay across the board the same amount as a percent of the income they earn. Pick a number. Say 20%. All people should pay 20% of their income into the system to pay for those that cannot. What we have here on the otherhand, is people driving up in their BMW's to by formula with food stamps. We have generations of people who have learned that they should neither contribute or work. It is a large and complicated subject for sure. But taxing people who worked hard to get ahead and sacrificed to make good for themselves and families should not have to carry the complete burden. Spread it out. A mini VAT tax would help as well for all goods, except maybe food. I don't have all the answers but what we have now is not working and what Obama and McCain have put forth are not solutions either.