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[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Cheney's fault.

"It's Bush's fault!"

[glatt]

Originally Posted by glatt

Has anyone here seen "W" or know anyone who has seen "W"? It's a movie that I don't understand. Not the plot (I haven't seen it) but simply the fact that it was made in the first place.

I'm a Bush hater, and I have no desire to see this movie. From the ads, it appears to make Bush seem like a moron, so I'd guess that Bush lovers (if there are still any left) wouldn't be interested in seeing it either. There are a few moderate swing voters here, do any of you have interest in seeing "W"?

I'm just am amazed that they made this movie. I would be surprised if anyone goes to see it. I predict it will lose a lot of money.

http://www.latimes.com/technology/co...,1160276.story

A strong turnout by liberals, meanwhile, put "W.," the biography of President Bush, in fourth place, with $10.6 million in sales. Studio polls showed 55% of the audience called themselves liberals and 31% identified themselves as moderates. Only 14% of the audience said they were conservative.

While drawing more liberals than conservatives, the film was released across the country in diverse markets. "Attendance was strong in both red and blue states," said Steve Rothenberg, president of domestic distribution for the film's distributor, Lionsgate.

[lookout123]

I don't get it. I understand it is a hit piece, but why? Why spend the millions and millions to make it? Why spend $10-20 to go see it?

[glatt]

I don't get it either. You would literally have to pay me to watch it.

[Shawnee123]

Who is the guy playing Dub? I saw him on Letterman or something, and he sounded so much like him! I don't remember who it was, but it wasn't someone I expected. Hang on... Oh yeah, Josh Brolin. Who the heck is he, anyway?

[lookout123]

Babs's eseessesses stepson.

Josh Brolin's dad played Reagan in the hitpiece they did on him a couple years ago.

[Shawnee123]

Oh yeah, James Brolin's son? Gotcha! He had confused me by telling Letterman he was Brando's son. I was like "WHAT?" I haven't seen him in anything, that I remember.

Anyway, I thought he looked more like a rough and tough kind of actor. I'm interested to see the movie, myself.

[lookout123]

he was a piss poor actor in a really lousy naval aviation tv show his dad had for awhile.

[bluecuracao]

You guys must have missed "No Country For Old Men" then. He was good in that.

[richlevy]

I've never had a problem at the voting booth before, but I've always voted at upper middle class voting places. My current township is mostly Republican. I would be sort of surprised if I went up to the polls and found that I had either been struck from the polls or that someone there was challenging my vote. Even though I am well educated and somewhat versed in the Constitution, I would be confused. If I was a working class high school grad, how would I handle it?

In Pennsylvania, could my vote be challenged if my name does not exactly match the name on my social security card - "James K. Smith" versus "James Keith Smith" or "Jim Smith"?

What if there was a mistake and the election commission had the wrong social security number?

From here

Currently, just under 10 percent of the 250 million W-2 forms sent to SSA by employers fail to match the information in the SSA database. At least three fourths of these mismatches are unrelated to immigration status. They occur for many reasons, including name changes, incorrect use of titles, and transposition errors. All of these problems are much more likely to occur with "foreign" names, due to the likelihood of transcription errors and differing customs for treating titles and family names.

And if I allowed them to force me to fill out a provisional ballot, how would I know if it was counted?

The new ruling in Cuyahoga County mandates that provisional ballots in yellow packets must be “Rejected” if there is no “date of birth” on the packet. The Free Press obtained copies of the original “Provisional Verification Procedure” from Cuyahoga County which stated “Date of birth is not mandatory and should not reject a provisional ballot.” The original procedure required the voter’s name, address and a signature that matched the signature in the county’s database.

A lot of people consider election fraud in the form of multiple votes or illegitimate votes to be a terrible problem. I think any unreasonable barrier to a legitimate voter who wishes to exercise his or her right and duty to vote is the greater crime.

[Undertoad]

Originally Posted by richlevy

In Pennsylvania, could my vote be challenged if my name does not exactly match the name on my social security card - "James K. Smith" versus "James Keith Smith" or "Jim Smith"?

No.

What if there was a mistake and the election commission had the wrong social security number?

The election commission doesn't collect social security numbers, nor do they require them in any way on election day.

And if I allowed them to force me to fill out a provisional ballot, how would I know if it was counted?

If you really give a shit, you could easily become a poll-watcher or even assist election officials in your precinct. If you really really give a shit, you can run for Inspector of Elections or Judge of Elections and become an election official yourself. There is one Judge, and two Inspectors in each precinct. You would have to run for the office, but often who is going to run is agreed upon ahead of time. ("Cheryl doesn't want to do it any more with her arthritis getting bad.") It's a paid position, you work the poll all day from the opening through final count, and you are allowed to bring along a lesser-paid assistant if you like, so you can take a break.

[Flint]

nice font

[richlevy]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

The election commission doesn't collect social security numbers, nor do they require them in any way on election day.

From here

The only time the system was not conducting verification checks with the Social Security Administration was when the administration shut down its process for a two-day maintenance period. This did not prohibit counties from entering data, and when the system came back online the applications were processed and verified accordingly.

Now this only happened at the initial registration, which is presumably done in a non-partisan manner. However, there is nothing to prevent attempts to second guess the official determination.

The suit was one of two that had sought verification of some 200,000 new registrations that had prompted complaints by Democrats that the GOP was trying to disenfranchise voters, report the Cleveland Plain Dealer and the Associated Press. The other suit, filed by the Republican Party, failed last week when the U.S. Supreme Court vacated a temporary restraining order on the ground the party likely lacked standing to pursue the case.

If they had found what they interpreted as a discrepancy, would the voter have been contacted before he or she showed up on Nov 4th?

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

No, they really don't.

If they tried attaching federal highway money or some such to election regulations, it would be ruled unconstitutional before the ink dried on the Federal Register with the number of the House Bill.

That's not influence, that's law, and would be challenged immediately. Influence isn't on paper, pork helps buy influence, but the influence is used outside the public record.

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

"It's Bush's fault!"

No, this time it's Cheney and his cronies.

[Undertoad]

Originally Posted by richlevy

From here

Wow, I was not aware of that, thanks.