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Also, what gives the Jews anymore right to land than lets say the Aboriginals in Australia or the natives in the United States, or the Kurds in Turkey, Iraq, and Iran, Kosovo, Ossetians, and the millions of other ethnic groups that don't have a homeland? As I said, I disagree with the justifications behind it. Quote:
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Years gained independence from British Syria - 1946 Jordan - 1946 Lebanon - 1943 Egypt - 1922 Iraq - 1932 Even then, they didn't really see the Jews as a threat because they denied the early two-state solution. If you are talking about the local Arabs, you are dead wrong. Tensions started right when the talk of a Jewish state began. Quote:
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Sounds like the potential for Israel to have it's own little Iraq.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2009/01/...ast/assess.php
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The fact remains that the people living in and around Palestine have always been ruled by others... that owned the land.
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If you want pictures, here's pictures.
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via Bruce's gallery,
When a photographer is present, the Hamas missile launchers are set up in a remote location. Notice there's no shot of them firing the ones in that location. The ones actually launched are launched from neighborhoods. |
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When they are staging the drill for the photographer, the out of the way park is nice and won't bother anyone. But when they actually launch them, making smoke trails that can be followed back, then they want the cover of the neighborhood.
Oh, I did notice the Israelis made some humongous holes in the ground.
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They learned well from their brothern in Iraq. They set up many launchers on the back of trucks in crowded neighborhoods and near schools, knowing full well that the electronic track back would send rounds on the way in less than one minute. Then they could appeal to the American public with cries of how we were targeting civilians.
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Ironic as it may sound - to minimize loss of life, massive deaths of equal numbers on both sides are necessary. That is the only way that moderates from both sides can act as moderates again. That is the only way that wacko extremists can be disenfranchised. That is the only apparent way that this conflict can end up back at the negotiation table.
Once upon a time, there were no more suicide bombings, stealing land, etc. Once upon a time, the Oslo Accords were working. But as the Norwegian foreign minister predicted, George Jr would destroy the Oslo Accords in a world where wacko extremist view everyone as only good or evil. ie the Axis of Evil myth. Another Oslo Accord is impossible until death rates are very high on both sides - until the number of dead make everyone realize how wacko those extremists really are. |
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BS. I think the vast majority see the reality of the situation - comparing death tolls from one side versus the other is meaningless and childish.
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No doubt.
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Cite.
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