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Old 02-03-2009, 11:40 AM   #1
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The righty blogs seem to believe that the R party has lost its way by not being Conservative enough. Unfortunately only a third of them think this means they should push for less spending, and two-thirds of them think this means a return to moral/culture war issues.

I think that this is a losing idea, and I predict that, barring terror attack, the Rs will have to face an even bigger election loss before they find any traction. I believe the Terri Schaivo bumblefuck had more of an effect on the 2006 and 2008 elections than people think.
After this huge financial mess caused by greedy people on Wall Street, I think they will turn even more to the democratic party, especially if this administration stands up to those Wall Street pirates.

All the republican party wants to do is cut taxes even more for corporations/rich people and capital gains taxes. It simply doesn't work.

They have forgotten the true meaning of the word conservative which was originally about being fiscally conservative. They have turned it into a war against the American people, if you don't buy into to their particular brand of religion, or morals, or ethics, etc. And they have been such beacons of moral superiority...
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Old 02-03-2009, 08:49 AM   #2
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I just dont get how some Republicans can believe that this is the way to restore the party's national credibility:

Joe the Plumber advises GOP-ers

WTF are they thinking? Palin and the Plumber (aka war correspondent and now political consultant/strategist)?

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Old 02-03-2009, 10:44 AM   #3
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I just dont get how some Republicans can believe that this is the way to restore the party's national credibility:

WTF are they thinking? Palin and the Plumber (aka war correspondent and now political consultant/strategist)?
I couldn't agree more.
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Old 02-03-2009, 09:08 AM   #4
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Old 02-03-2009, 08:38 PM   #5
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Numerous factions are vying to manipulate the Republican party. You can bet the wacko extremists are using Limbaugh to promote their new party agenda. However McConnell is the party leader. Either he will define the new Republican party or first be deposed.

Just because one faction got their new political agenda published does not mean that is the party agenda. It will take at least one year to see where the party intends to go. Currently we only have people shooting sky rockets to see how the crowd oooohs and aaaahs.
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Old 02-08-2009, 06:59 AM   #6
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Just because one faction got their new political agenda published does not mean that is the party agenda. It will take at least one year to see where the party intends to go. Currently we only have people shooting sky rockets to see how the crowd oooohs and aaaahs.
This is a very interesting time for the Republicans. The Neo-conservatives have destroyed the parties credibility. Which faction has values which appeal across the center of the electorate? The religious right are always organized but that is their only appeal. The libertarian wing is inconsistant on the social issues which have broader appeal than the free market message especially in a down-turn. The money crowd had their run and managed to smear the free marketers in their recent crime wave. Right now, their best shot may be the moderates. People will tire of the Pelosi crowd, so there is an opportunity a few years out.
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Old 02-08-2009, 01:16 PM   #7
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This is a very interesting time for the Republicans. The Neo-conservatives have destroyed the parties credibility. Which faction has values which appeal across the center of the electorate? The religious right are always organized but that is their only appeal. The libertarian wing is inconsistant on the social issues which have broader appeal than the free market message especially in a down-turn. The money crowd had their run and managed to smear the free marketers in their recent crime wave. Right now, their best shot may be the moderates. People will tire of the Pelosi crowd, so there is an opportunity a few years out.
The money crowd ARE the free marketers.

The dems won nothing. The GOP has managed to smear itself with its own shit to the point where nobody but the hard core religious nuts will go anywhere near them...and they are still hooting and throwing poop as if there was nothing wrong, as if they hadn't been trounced in an election. They are, in fact, still jabbering about running Palin in 2012, despite the fact that she basically sank McCain.

So now it's a race to the bottom. On one hand, you have the congressional dems, acting like they did in the old days, the days before Newt Gingrich handed them their collective arses, and on the other hand, you have the GOP reassuring themselves that they don't need to change a thing.

But here's the deal...everyone in the middle already knew what Pelosi was, and they still voted against McCain/Palin, and they still threw the GOP out of congress by the truckload.

The GOP had better unfuck themselves. And they'd better do it fast. 2010 will be here before you know it.
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Old 02-08-2009, 04:26 PM   #8
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The GOP has managed to smear itself with its own shit to the point where nobody but the hard core religious nuts will go anywhere near them...and they are still hooting and throwing poop as if there was nothing wrong, as if they hadn't been trounced in an election. They are, in fact, still jabbering about running Palin in 2012, despite the fact that she basically sank McCain.
They are still touting her and doing damage control.


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This won't help.
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Old 02-08-2009, 04:35 PM   #9
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The GOP had better unfuck themselves. And they'd better do it fast. 2010 will be here before you know it.
That leaves plenty more time for the Dems to fuck it up.
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Old 02-08-2009, 04:46 PM   #10
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That leaves plenty more time for the Dems to fuck it up.
Which is the GOP's only hope because they apparently have nothing to add to the conversation. This rooting against America bit by party partisans gets very old.
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Old 02-08-2009, 05:02 PM   #11
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That leaves plenty more time for the Dems to fuck it up.
See above. The Dems don't have an image problem with most of the electorate, truth notwithstanding.

And the GOP refuses to take advantage of what weaknesses the dems ARE showing, because they're too busy living in denial over the last election.
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Old 02-04-2009, 05:40 AM   #12
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Palin ... Joe ... you are making this up, right?
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Old 02-04-2009, 08:55 AM   #13
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No, winner takes all is majority rule. Mob rule is not a good thing. Sounds just like Congress.
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Old 02-04-2009, 09:20 AM   #14
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No, winner takes all is majority rule. Mob rule is not a good thing. Sounds just like Congress.
Are you suggesting that the presidential electoral process in Maine and Nebraska is by mob rule?
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Old 02-04-2009, 09:27 AM   #15
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No, I am suggesting that those states with winner take all are a flawed means to an end.
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