Obama spanks Wall Street.

[TGRR]

Originally Posted by sugarpop

*rolleyes* They had no control over anything. They had, what, a majority of 1 or 2 in the Senate? That isn't enough to pass anything. And bush just vetoed everything anyway, unless it was something he wanted.

The truth is, democrats always try to get along. They always make concessions. Republicans NEVER do. When Clinton was in office, they completely shut down the government for, what was it, 2 weeks or something? When have democrats ever been so unreasonable? And... republicans would do it again today, even with our economy slipping into the abyss, because they don't give a shit about the people of this country. They only care about their base, and their ideology.

Clinton shut the government down (twice), when he turned the GOP's budget away for excessive spending, not the other way around.

It was about the only thing the schmuck did that was worth a damn.

[tw]

Originally Posted by TGRR

It was about the only thing the schmuck did that was worth a damn.

Haiti, the Balkans, the averted Pakistan Indian war, welfare, responsible budgets, the 1996 Federal Communication Act, completely defagging Saddam (which we did not realize at that time), stopping massive worldwide terrorism planned for the Millennium (including LAX, NY Time Square, Toronto, Egypt, Amman Jordan, etc.), worldwide respect for America never seen since the Cuban Missile Crisis, ...

[TGRR]

Originally Posted by tw

Haiti, the Balkans, the averted Pakistan Indian war,

Not our fucking problem.

Originally Posted by tw

responsible budgets,

Already said I liked that.

Originally Posted by tw

the 1996 Federal Communication Act,

That was no accomplishment. The Act was claimed to foster competition. Instead, it continued the historic industry consolidation begun by Reagan, whose actions reduced the number of major media companies from around 50 in 1983 to 10 in 1996 and 6 in 2005.

Originally Posted by tw

completely defagging Saddam (which we did not realize at that time),

Saddam was defanged during the 1990/1991 trade show.

Originally Posted by tw

stopping massive worldwide terrorism planned for the Millennium (including LAX, NY Time Square, Toronto, Egypt, Amman Jordan, etc.),

Um, yeah. Credible link to these threats?

Originally Posted by tw

worldwide respect for America never seen since the Cuban Missile Crisis, ...

...Handed over the last dregs of our country to East Asia, by signing Bush 41's NAFTA crap. Hired a Nazi named Reno. The Clipper Chip. Pardoned a pack of scumbags. Waffled on the Gays in the military business. Threatened doctors in CA who advised using pot on chemo patients.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Quote:

Originally Posted by tw
...the averted Pakistan Indian war,

Originally Posted by TGRR

Not our fucking problem.

Not our fucking problem if two nuclear powers on the planet we inhabit go to war? C'mon.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Quote:

Not our fucking problem if two nuclear powers on the planet we inhabit go to war? C'mon.

Let them go at it. We need a population reduction.

[TGRR]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

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Not our fucking problem if two nuclear powers on the planet we inhabit go to war? C'mon.

Meh. We receive more crud from the testing in the 60s than we would if those two attention whores burn each other to cinders.

The Chinese will catch some, though. Boo hoo hoo.

[tw]

A long list of denials without a single supporting fact? Let's add reality to some of your denials:

The 1996 Federal Communication Act:

Originally Posted by TGRR

That was no accomplishment. The Act was claimed to foster competition. Instead, it continued the historic industry consolidation begun by Reagan, ...

Meanwhile the act forced anti-innovative communication companies to either provide a stifled 1981 technology called DSL, OR open their lines so that anyone could provide broadband. Yes, DSL technology was demonstrated even in 1981 when American communication companies were routinely stifling innovation - until 1996. Technology that should have been widely available in the 1990s still was not available until the 1996 Federal Communication Act all but required it.

Stopping massive worldwide terrorism planned for the Millennium (including LAX, NY Time Square, Toronto, Egypt, Amman Jordan, etc.):

Originally Posted by TGRR

Um, yeah. Credible link to these threats?

You are supposed to learn basic history before having opinions. Those attacks stopped by Clinton are common knowledge. Even described in detail by Richard Clark who was head of the White House CounterTerrorism Security Group (CSG). It takes almost nothing to learn how Clinton mobilized then entire government resulting in Diana Dean finding an LAX bomb in WA. Same attacks to even sink the USS The Sullivans failed (because bombers loaded too much explosives and sunk their own boat).

Clinton regarded bin Laden as the number one threat to America which is why he even created Alec Station - a group assigned only to get bin Laden. As Richard Clark so bluntly said, "George W Bush, who failed to act on the threats from Al Qaeda despite repeated warnings ..." Clinton personally warned President-elect Bush of the threat he considered the most dangerous. Nobody could have asked more of Clinton. When Cofer Black warned of the Millennium attack in December 1999, Clinton responded by mobilizing every government agency. FISA judges (secret courts to authorize wiretaps during national emergencies) were swamped with subpoena requests. Even the RCMP were informed of sleeper cells they did not know about. You did not know any of this? Meanwhile, George Jr latter disbanded Alec Station because terrorism was not a threat.

All that is common knowledge to those who learn. Naysaying is how those without knowledge use Limbaugh tactics to deny reality.

No credible links are necessary because you are expected to first know this basic history before having opinions. If you know Clinton did so little, then you must deny what every informed American knows: what Diana Dean did.

Originally Posted by TGRR

Not our fucking problem.

A language often associated with those who always know and need not learn facts. Therefore you know Pakistan is not our f problem?

Knowledge easily identifies what is probably the greatest threat to the world and the US: Pakistan. Apparently you did not learn a long list of reasons why, or just don't care to know. So you have no appreciation of what Clinton did.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by tw

Clinton regarded bin Laden as the number one threat to America which is why he even created Alec Station - a group assigned only to get bin Laden.

Then why didn't he take him out when Bin Laden was handed to him on a silver platter? Sounds like revisionist history to me.

[TGRR]

Originally Posted by classicman

Then why didn't he take him out when Bin Laden was handed to him on a silver platter? Sounds like revisionist history to me.

Because Bin Ladin was never handed to him on a silver platter. That business has been debunked more times than I care to mention, and people STILL trot it out.

Clinton was a schmoe. Very few people will argue against that. But the "silver platter" business isn't true. It's just a stale Rovian talking point...effective vs Gore back in 2000, but a lie nonetheless.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by TGRR

Because Bin Ladin was never handed to him on a silver platter. That business has been debunked more times than I care to mention, and people STILL trot it out.

From factcheck -

Erwa claims that he offered to hand bin Laden over to the United States. Key American players – President Bill Clinton, then-National Security Adviser Sandy Berger and Director of Counterterrorism Richard Clarke among them – have testified there were no "credible offers" to hand over bin Laden. The 9/11 Commission found "no credible evidence" that Erwa had ever made such an offer. On the other hand, Lawrence Wright, in his Pulitzer Prize-winning "The Looming Tower," flatly states that Sudan did make such an offer. Wright bases his judgment on an interview with Erwa and notes that those who most prominently deny Erwa's claims were not in fact present for the meeting.

Bill & Hillary's "Position"

U.S. Was Foiled Multiple Times in Efforts To Capture Bin Laden or Have Him Killed
Sudan's Offer to Arrest Militant Fell Through After Saudis Said No

By Barton Gellman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, October 3, 2001; Page A01

The government of Sudan, employing a back channel direct from its president to the Central Intelligence Agency, offered in the early spring of 1996 to arrest Osama bin Laden and place him in Saudi custody, according to officials and former officials in all three countries.

The Clinton administration struggled to find a way to accept the offer in secret contacts that stretched from a meeting at a Rosslyn hotel on March 3, 1996, to a fax that closed the door on the effort 10 weeks later. Unable to persuade the Saudis to accept bin Laden, and lacking a case to indict him in U.S. courts at the time, the Clinton administration finally gave up on the capture.

It would be virtually unheard of to have concrete evidence on a matter like this.

[tw]

Originally Posted by classicman

Then why didn't he take him out when Bin Laden was handed to him on a silver platter?

He repeatedly did using what was available. What secret did you withhold rather than contribute?

[TGRR]

Originally Posted by tw

You are supposed to learn basic history before having opinions.

Hey...conversation over.

When you can speak in a civil tone, let me know and we can continue.

TGRR,
Knows that appeal to "common knowledge" isn't evidence for a position.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by TGRR

Hey...conversation over.

When you can speak in a civil tone, let me know and we can continue.

TGRR,
Knows that appeal to "common knowledge" isn't evidence for a position.

[TGRR]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Heh:

No credible links are necessary because

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And that's all she wrote.

[sugarpop]

Originally Posted by TGRR

Clinton shut the government down (twice), when he turned the GOP's budget away for excessive spending, not the other way around.

It was about the only thing the schmuck did that was worth a damn.

Well then, I guess it depends on who you ask.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal...utdown_of_1995
The Republicans tried to blame Clinton for the shutdown, but Clinton got a break two days later when Gingrich made a widely-reported complaint about being snubbed by Clinton; Tom DeLay called it "the mistake of his [Gingrich's] life".[1]

Delay writes in his book, No Retreat, No Surrender:[3]

"He told a room full of reporters that he forced the shutdown because Clinton had rudely made him and Bob Dole sit at the back of Air Force One...Newt had been careless to say such a thing, and now the whole moral tone of the shutdown had been lost. What had been a noble battle for fiscal sanity began to look like the tirade of a spoiled child..The revolution, I can tell you, was never the same."