Conspiriocracy

[TGRR]

Originally Posted by Flint

We live in conspiriocracy; a conspiratorial, dictatorial, anti-inflammocracy.

I thought I invented another word. Well, I googled it and only got three hits .

Properly speaking, shouldn't it be conspirocracy?

In any case, this is obvious.

When people ask me why I hate America, I am honestly puzzled...until I realize that they are talking about The United States, which is a different - and far inferior thing - altogether. The United States is a collection of fat retards with an entitlement complex, who couldn't function in America to save their lives.

Let's get one thing perfectly clear: John Wayne and Nancy Pelosi and Ronald Reagan do not represent America. No, they represented the willfully ignorant know-nothings that took the United States and shat all over it, while the citizens of said shithole lapped it up and begged for more. No, if you want AMERICA, you have to look farther back, to freaks like Patrick Henry and Benjamin Franklin, who faced a noose for freedom and STILL had time to get their monkey on like HEROES.

And who, today, stands for America? Who, today, stands for really scary freedom and badfun? Do YOU? Have you puked blood and shat out intestines in pursuit of a good time? Have you stomped around like a madman while braying obscenities at people who tried to tell you that freedom is a magnetic sticky and the right to agree with the president in wartime or that if you disagree with a (supposedly) different president, you're a racist? Have you rejected the safety and warmth of the sty, and laughed at the piggies who stay inside and tell you to shut up and sit down like a GOOD American?

I was born for this shit. I was born for America, and I've about fucking had it with the jackasses that drag my dream around like a drugged date.

For fuck's sake.

[sugarpop]

Originally Posted by TGRR

Properly speaking, shouldn't it be conspirocracy?

In any case, this is obvious.

When people ask me why I hate America, I am honestly puzzled...until I realize that they are talking about The United States, which is a different - and far inferior thing - altogether. The United States is a collection of fat retards with an entitlement complex, who couldn't function in America to save their lives.

Let's get one thing perfectly clear: John Wayne and Nancy Pelosi and Ronald Reagan do not represent America. No, they represented the willfully ignorant know-nothings that took the United States and shat all over it, while the citizens of said shithole lapped it up and begged for more. No, if you want AMERICA, you have to look farther back, to freaks like Patrick Henry and Benjamin Franklin, who faced a noose for freedom and STILL had time to get their monkey on like HEROES.

And who, today, stands for America? Who, today, stands for really scary freedom and badfun? Do YOU? Have you puked blood and shat out intestines in pursuit of a good time? Have you stomped around like a madman while braying obscenities at people who tried to tell you that freedom is a magnetic sticky and the right to agree with the president in wartime or that if you disagree with a (supposedly) different president, you're a racist? Have you rejected the safety and warmth of the sty, and laughed at the piggies who stay inside and tell you to shut up and sit down like a GOOD American?

I was born for this shit. I was born for America, and I've about fucking had it with the jackasses that drag my dream around like a drugged date.

For fuck's sake.

ummm, Ron Paul?

[TGRR]

Originally Posted by sugarpop

ummm, Ron Paul?

He says.

In practice, he hauls pork home to Texas, just like the rest of them.

[sugarpop]

Originally Posted by TGRR

He says.

In practice, he hauls pork home to Texas, just like the rest of them.

What does that have to do with freedom? Ron Paul is against almost any kind of restrictions on freedom, isn't he? Granted I don't know a LOT about him, but every time I've heard him talk about it, he makes a lot of sense.

[Kaliayev]

Originally Posted by sugarpop

What does that have to do with freedom? Ron Paul is against almost any kind of restrictions on freedom, isn't he? Granted I don't know a LOT about him, but every time I've heard him talk about it, he makes a lot of sense.

Oh dear. I'm going to have to burst a bubble here. I hate doing this.

Ron Paul is not for freedom, unless your definition of freedom is narrowly defined and has nothing to do with any definition of freedom anyone else uses. Or you are a corporation.

Here is an extensive list of Ron Paul's record in Congress http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2007/11...-congress.html

His ideological and personal links with the far right militia movement and Christian Reconstructionism can be found here http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2007/06...rld-order.html

He's against abortion, against the right to take discrimination claims to court (presumably the free market fairy will do away with racism), wants to remove the minimum wage, wants to undermine labour unions to the point of ineffectiveness, wants to repeal antitrust laws, hates Iranian students (for some bizarre reason), hates the 14th Ammendment, wants to gut environmental protections even more than Bush did, promotes the pointless offshore drilling plan, wants to withdraw from the ABM treaty, wants a little imperial war to seize the Panama Canal again and wants to forbid Federal funding to any organization showing a level of tolerance towards homosexuality.

[TGRR]

Originally Posted by Zhuge Liang

Oh dear. I'm going to have to burst a bubble here. I hate doing this.

Ron Paul is not for freedom, unless your definition of freedom is narrowly defined and has nothing to do with any definition of freedom anyone else uses. Or you are a corporation.

Here is an extensive list of Ron Paul's record in Congress http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2007/11...-congress.html

His ideological and personal links with the far right militia movement and Christian Reconstructionism can be found here http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2007/06...rld-order.html

He's against abortion, against the right to take discrimination claims to court (presumably the free market fairy will do away with racism), wants to remove the minimum wage, wants to undermine labour unions to the point of ineffectiveness, wants to repeal antitrust laws, hates Iranian students (for some bizarre reason), hates the 14th Ammendment, wants to gut environmental protections even more than Bush did, promotes the pointless offshore drilling plan, wants to withdraw from the ABM treaty, wants a little imperial war to seize the Panama Canal again and wants to forbid Federal funding to any organization showing a level of tolerance towards homosexuality.

What he said.

[sugarpop]

Originally Posted by Zhuge Liang

Oh dear. I'm going to have to burst a bubble here. I hate doing this.

Ron Paul is not for freedom, unless your definition of freedom is narrowly defined and has nothing to do with any definition of freedom anyone else uses. Or you are a corporation.

Here is an extensive list of Ron Paul's record in Congress http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2007/11...-congress.html

His ideological and personal links with the far right militia movement and Christian Reconstructionism can be found here http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2007/06...rld-order.html

He's against abortion, against the right to take discrimination claims to court (presumably the free market fairy will do away with racism), wants to remove the minimum wage, wants to undermine labour unions to the point of ineffectiveness, wants to repeal antitrust laws, hates Iranian students (for some bizarre reason), hates the 14th Ammendment, wants to gut environmental protections even more than Bush did, promotes the pointless offshore drilling plan, wants to withdraw from the ABM treaty, wants a little imperial war to seize the Panama Canal again and wants to forbid Federal funding to any organization showing a level of tolerance towards homosexuality.

Well, I don't agree with his positions on any of those things, but he IS a Libertarian, and Libertarians (the ones on the conservative end of the spectrum, like him) are all about not restricting freedoms, especially corporate freedom. They tend to believe less in personal freedom though. Although, he does talk about repealing drug laws and getting rid of the IRS. And I've heard him say we should get out of other countries and stop our imperialist tendencies around the world. I knew he was against abortion, but I didn't know he was against freedom for gays. I kinda thought he would be more about personal freedom as well, from the interviews I've seen with him. Like I said though, I don't know a lot about him. Thanks for the links. I will educate myself more.

[TGRR]

Originally Posted by sugarpop

Well, I don't agree with his positions on any of those things, but he IS a Libertarian, and Libertarians (the ones on the conservative end of the spectrum, like him) are all about not restricting freedoms, especially corporate freedom.

There is no such thing as corporate freedom.

[Kaliayev]

Originally Posted by sugarpop

Well, I don't agree with his positions on any of those things, but he IS a Libertarian, and Libertarians (the ones on the conservative end of the spectrum, like him) are all about not restricting freedoms, especially corporate freedom. They tend to believe less in personal freedom though. Although, he does talk about repealing drug laws and getting rid of the IRS. And I've heard him say we should get out of other countries and stop our imperialist tendencies around the world. I knew he was against abortion, but I didn't know he was against freedom for gays. I kinda thought he would be more about personal freedom as well, from the interviews I've seen with him. Like I said though, I don't know a lot about him. Thanks for the links. I will educate myself more.

The thing is, if you are for corporate freedom, then you are de facto against personal freedom, due to the vast power disparities between the two. The relationship between corporate and individual interests is a zero-sum game and it is my opinion that the Vulgar Libertarianism of Ron Paul swings that relationship even further in favour of the already powerful corporate elements.

Ron Paul is actually somewhat creepier than the people who were in charge during the Bush admin. Sure, Cheney was an evil fuck...but he was pretty indiscriminate in who he is was being an evil fuck to. Ron Paul's associations with the militia movement is...disturbing, given the prevalence of fundamentalist Christian, sexist and racist sentiment amongst those organizations. He is close friends with Gary North, for example, who thinks America should be under Biblical law (such as stoning adulterers to death and barring public office from anyone insufficiently Christian - which amusingly includes most mainstream Christian groups). And there are disturbing themes in the Ron Paul Survival Report, which he either knew about or was too incompetent to check on, neither of which looks good.

[TGRR]

Originally Posted by sugarpop

What does that have to do with freedom? Ron Paul is against almost any kind of restrictions on freedom, isn't he?

Well, he isn't wild about your or my right to be a citizen without his approval (he wants to eliminate clause 1 of amendment XIV).

He also isn't happy with many other parts of the constitution (article I & article II) that deal with the creation and funding of departments in the executive branch (specifics upon request).

Bearing in mind that the constitution is a check on government that acts as an idirect - and only - guarantor of your rights, and here's a man who claims to be a "constitutionalist", but attacks the constitution in every speech, I think I can live without the good doctor as anything more than a hick representative from Texas.

[Beest]

Originally Posted by TGRR

Have you stomped around like a madman while braying obscenities at people ...

yes, PC LOAD LETTER, what does that even mean anyway.