What do you hear when people say freedom?

[Phage0070]

Originally Posted by W.HI.P

you think we own this planet?
cause we don't.
we are without doubt, the earths greatest enemy.

Without us, what purpose does the Earth serve?

Do you place inherent value in dirt? We are not getting rid of that any time soon.

Do you place inherent value in plants? We are not getting rid of it all, and cultivating much in its place.

Do you place inherent value in animals other than humans? We are not getting rid of them all, and cultivating much that would not normally survive.

The way I see it, humans are the end-all-be-all of reality. Without us there is no reason to be concerned about the world. As for your moral issues with humanity... morality is not in keeping with the nature of humanity, it is true. It never is, and never will be. Morality is a goal that we work toward; we are always trying to better ourselves, and history records that we are quite good at it. We see how we can become better and set a standard to strive for, that is morality. Claiming that we are horrible because we cannot live up to a standard which keeps being increased as we improve is folly.

[W.HI.P]

murder, theft, rape, don't make us bad in my eyes, they make us human.
its those who seperate themselves from the rest of humanity, pointing at some the others with terrible accusations that i'm looking at.

everytime you point at someone else, you're pointing at yourself.
...of course religion makes you feel better with the idea that they're gonna pay in hell, while you're on your way to heaven.
reality says that its all right here and now.

you have this great idea of your kind phaege.

Without us there is no reason to be concerned about the world

without us, no, the majority of problems that concern the earth would not exist.
we are the earths plague.

i'm sure the ant see's the ant as the center of the universe as well.
i don't see a greater value in the human... you're just as small

[xoxoxoBruce]

That's the difference between life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" vs "peace, order and good government".

[Sheldonrs]

It depends. If someone says "Freedom" in the woods and there's nobody else around, does it make a difference?

[dar512]

Originally Posted by Phage0070

Without us, what purpose does the Earth serve?

[snip]

The way I see it, humans are the end-all-be-all of reality.

You are the crown of creation.