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[Bullitt]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

You do realize that many of the methods of finding conclusions for sociology and science are the same...

Sorry but there's far from a consensus in the professional/higher academic world about that. Take a historiography course sometime, it will show you some serious issues with sociology, typically focusing on the actual application of this so called science to the real world (problems with complex systems, etc.). Social theories are nice and all, but application thereof is very problematic and predicting the behavior of micro or macro levels of people groups is wrought with problems and is basically more unreliable than my old '81 VW. Don't get me wrong sociology can be useful but it's like Freud, take what you hear with a grain of salt.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Agreed Bullitt, and the older I get the less I believe it.

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by Bullitt

Sorry but there's far from a consensus in the professional/higher academic world about that. Take a historiography course sometime, it will show you some serious issues with sociology, typically focusing on the actual application of this so called science to the real world (problems with complex systems, etc.). Social theories are nice and all, but application thereof is very problematic and predicting the behavior of micro or macro levels of people groups is wrought with problems and is basically more unreliable than my old '81 VW. Don't get me wrong sociology can be useful but it's like Freud, take what you hear with a grain of salt.

When did I say anything about application???

I made a single statement and was responded with an ad hominem attacking a straw man created from my argument. I don't get shit from any sociology class and even if I did, that doesn't invalidate my statement. I have already stated that I cannot prove or disprove my statement anyways.

Originally Posted by lookout123

My respect for the subject ended when I had 3 semester hours left for my minor. I had a professor who refused to let me pass the course unless I wrote a paper on the minority group I'm a part of or admit I was a racist and write a paper on that. All white people are racist, ya know. of course, he couldn't recognize his own bias because in his world white people have the power so only they can be racist. I still think he's just pissed his proper little japanese sister took up with a white boy.

You got all pissed off about semantics? Yes, the definition of racism for many is prejudice plus power because racism is a social doctrine (-ism) and people of color can very rarely force their prejudice onto our society while whites can much easier. Hell, everyone was calling Reverend Wright a racist but in reality, there is nothing he can do to force his prejudice on whites. And also, that definition is a major generalization.

On an indivdidal level, discrimination is the killer. Anyone can discriminate and whites do receive a large part of this. I have been on the short side of it, and so have many other people. Its life, tough shit (not directed at anyone).

On a sociological level, racism is the killer. But unfortunately it is nearly impossible to blame anyone for this since no one person controls it. It would be similar to blaming music videos for displaying sexism or Fox News for giving biased news. These happen because the sexist music videos and biased news sell more. So, blaming any particular person for this phenomena is absolutely pointless. That is what I disagree with most on the current idea of racism. That some people control it and force it down on people for their gain. No, it is something that just happens naturally. For whites to feel guilty about it won't do anything and usually ends up just making the problem worse.


To be honest, I don’t have much respect for sociology either along with many other fields. But, I do believe certain aspects of it are good, while its entirety can be generalized as absurd because there is no way to practically apply it. It is similar to philosophy, interesting and relevant at times, but overall pointless because of lack of applications. That is why I never said anything about application in my statement and admitted that it cannot be proved either way.