Torture memos

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Negative. That is not at all what has been said. They didn't believe it was torture. Period. You don't have to agree with it. You can draw all the analogies and historical references you want, and I won't always disagree with you, but they didn't think it was wrong or they wouldn't have done it. And if they did think it was borderline then why did they do it if it had not produced the intel that it did. Certainly this is still open to debate, but there is ample evidence that it did produce actionable intel. That is significant in this circle jerk of arm chair quarterbacks like yourself trying to say it produced nothing. Who you choose to believe is up to you. You speak as if you know the facts when you know nothing more than anyone else that can read the reports and news. Hop on the train.

We can debate who is doing the circle jerk.

The fact remains that CIA,DoJ and DoD IGs all reported to their respective cabinet level directors/secretaries that the proposed "harsh interrogation techniues were potentially (probably) illegal...and those superior chose to ignore those reports (and in one case, CIA, investigate the IG)....and those report were either not shared with the WH or were shared and the WH chose to ignore them as well.

And the fact remains that Bush/Cheney/Rice et al made repeated public pronouncements (and continue to make such pronouncements) that those harsh interrogation techniques directly resulted in protecting the country from attack..and there is no credible evidence to support that.