Torture memos

Undertoad · 05-09-2009, 09:52 AM

People are not pushing for an independent investigation because they understand that procedures were followed and that the torture memos are evidence thereof. They were asking the department whose job it would be to investigate, comprehend?

Me: Hey, Mr. police officer. That STOP sign is bent over and has been for two years. It looks like somebody decided it wasn't valid... they haven't replaced it.

Policeman: It sure does.

Me: So look, because the sign is broken, I'm just going to go through this intersection without stopping, OK?

Policeman: Yes. I've looked in the county records and there is no legal STOP sign at this intersection. You may definitely go through this intersection without stopping.

Me: (goes through intersection)

Policeman: You are under arrest.

Me: What?? But I went through a procedure where I asked you specifically about this sign!

Policeman: The fact that you asked is proof of your guilt. Also, sugarpop is "fairly convinced" you're guilty. Fairly is good enough for me. Off we go.

TGRR · 05-09-2009, 10:47 AM

So, Undertoad, you're saying that an investigation is the same thing as arresting people without an investigation???

TGRR,
Isn't sure what you're getting at.

Happy Monkey · 05-09-2009, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

People are not pushing for an independent investigation because they understand that procedures were followed and that the torture memos are evidence thereof. They were asking the department whose job it would be to investigate, comprehend?

Me: Hey, Mr. police officer. That STOP sign is bent over and has been for two years. It looks like somebody decided it wasn't valid... they haven't replaced it.

Policeman: It sure does.

Me: So look, because the sign is broken, I'm just going to go through this intersection without stopping, OK?

Policeman: Yes. I've looked in the county records and there is no legal STOP sign at this intersection. You may definitely go through this intersection without stopping.

Me: (goes through intersection)

Policeman: You are under arrest.

Me: What?? But I went through a procedure where I asked you specifically about this sign!

Policeman: The fact that you asked is proof of your guilt. Also, sugarpop is "fairly convinced" you're guilty. Fairly is good enough for me. Off we go.

Arrest the police officer.

classicman · 05-09-2009, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

Arrest the police officer.

Why? For what?

sugarpop · 05-10-2009, 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by classicman

Why? For what?

entrapment.

Undertoad · 05-10-2009, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by sugarpop

entrapment.

Then it should be the DoJ lawyers who are prosecuted.

Happy Monkey · 05-10-2009, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

Then it should be the DoJ lawyers who are prosecuted.

And anyone else involved in approving it.

Undertoad · 05-10-2009, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

And anyone else entrapped in approving it.

FTFY, the law is a messy business.

sugarpop · 05-12-2009, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

Then it should be the DoJ lawyers who are prosecuted.

And I have no problem with that. However, I believe it goes much further up the chain of command. I think Cheney is ultimately the one who orchestrated the whole thing.

sugarpop · 05-10-2009, 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

People are not pushing for an independent investigation because they understand that procedures were followed and that the torture memos are evidence thereof. They were asking the department whose job it would be to investigate, comprehend?...

In order to get to bottom of this and find out what truly happened and how it happened, we need an independent investigator, someone who is truly unbiased but who understands the rules and laws that were broken. We need to know if there was conspiracy, how far up or down the chain it went, and who all knew about it. Who ordered it. We broke laws, and someone needs to pay for it. I think it should be Cheney, and perhaps Rumsfeld, and the lawyers who twisted the law to fit what they wanted.

We also need an investigation into the financial markets. We need another Pecaro Investigation so we can get to the bottom of that as well, because if we don't, nothing will get done in regulating these institutions and taking apart the ones that are too big to fail, because we can't have that anymore.

TheMercenary · 05-10-2009, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by sugarpop

In order to get to bottom of this and find out what truly happened and how it happened, we need an independent investigator, someone who is truly unbiased but who understands the rules and laws that were broken. We need to know if there was conspiracy, how far up or down the chain it went, and who all knew about it. Who ordered it. We broke laws, and someone needs to pay for it. I think it should be Cheney, and perhaps Rumsfeld, and the lawyers who twisted the law to fit what they wanted.

And if Pelosi covered up her complacency and approval.

sugarpop · 05-12-2009, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

And if Pelosi covered up her complacency and approval.

How could she possibly have covered it up? Really?

05-09-2009, 10:47 AM	#2
TGRR Horrible Bastard Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: High Desert, Arizona Posts: 1,103	So, Undertoad, you're saying that an investigation is the same thing as arresting people without an investigation??? TGRR, Isn't sure what you're getting at. __________________ What can we do to help you stop screaming?

05-09-2009, 09:52 AM	#1
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	People are not pushing for an independent investigation because they understand that procedures were followed and that the torture memos are evidence thereof. They were asking the department whose job it would be to investigate, comprehend? Me: Hey, Mr. police officer. That STOP sign is bent over and has been for two years. It looks like somebody decided it wasn't valid... they haven't replaced it. Policeman: It sure does. Me: So look, because the sign is broken, I'm just going to go through this intersection without stopping, OK? Policeman: Yes. I've looked in the county records and there is no legal STOP sign at this intersection. You may definitely go through this intersection without stopping. Me: (goes through intersection) Policeman: You are under arrest. Me: What?? But I went through a procedure where I asked you specifically about this sign! Policeman: The fact that you asked is proof of your guilt. Also, sugarpop is "fairly convinced" you're guilty. Fairly is good enough for me. Off we go.

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