Indefinite Detention - Page 2

classicman · 05-27-2009, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

It's on Obama AND Bush.

Not anymore - This is his baby now. Rewriting the laws is 100% on Obama and the ramifications or benefits are also Obama's alone.

Happy Monkey · 05-27-2009, 02:02 PM

The ramifications and benefits of Obama's actions build on the ramifications and benefits of Bush's. Each are responsible for their own, and both are responsible for the sum. Obama will still be responsible for what he does after he hands the reins to the next president.

classicman · 05-27-2009, 02:33 PM

I stand by my previous post. As far as rewriting the laws and the rights violations that may ensue - thats all on Obama.

Happy Monkey · 05-27-2009, 03:18 PM

And as far as incarcerating them for years without trial while claiming that law was irrelevant and the rights violations that DID ensue, that's all on Bush. And the end result is on both of them.

classicman · 05-27-2009, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

As far as incarcerating them for years without trial while claiming that law was irrelevant and the rights violations that DID ensue, that's all on Bush.

Yes that would be correct. Seems to me that Obama is doing virtually the same thing, without the ridicule and outcry from those who did just that to Bush. Interesting indeed.

Flint · 05-27-2009, 03:33 PM

Hey, if I light a bobcat's tail on fire and throw 'im in your livin' room, and hand you a shovel and a shotgun, but ya ain't supposed ta hit 'im with it, ain't nobody but your momma gonna come cryin' when you throw a bucket of water on 'im and cook 'im for supper. /Dr. Phil

classicman · 05-27-2009, 03:55 PM

I actually saw a bobcat once! They are pretty big ya know!

Happy Monkey · 05-27-2009, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman

Yes that would be correct. Seems to me that Obama is doing virtually the same thing, without the ridicule and outcry from those who did just that to Bush. Interesting indeed.

And also WITH the ridicule and outcry of those who did just that to Bush. As mentioned pretty prominently in the originally posted article.

classicman · 05-27-2009, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

And also WITH the ridicule and outcry of those who did just that to Bush. As mentioned pretty prominently in the originally posted article.

You mean this???

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Originally Posted by classicman

I'm not liking this at all. No, I do not have a better plan, but incarcerating people without a trial or review goes contrary to everything that our judicial system is based on. Innocent until proven guilty, a fair trial and so on.
Bush according to many, broke the law by keeping these people at Gitmo for so long. Obama apparently wants to rewrite existing, or write new legislation so that this can be done "legally." Whaaat?

Where is the ridicule or outcry? Get real.

TheMercenary · 05-27-2009, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman

Obama Endorses Indefinite Detention Without Trial for Some

Oh God this is just getting more entertaining by the day.

Happy Monkey · 05-27-2009, 10:00 PM

Here's one:

And another:

The ACLU has a strongly worded rebuke and a less strongly worded (or at least less strongly headlined) one.

Russ Feingold says it's unconstitutional.

TheMercenary · 05-27-2009, 10:03 PM

TPM? is that actually a legit source of original congressional documents?

Happy Monkey · 05-28-2009, 09:13 AM

Feingold was the source. TPM happened to have the archive I found it on. And since I was looking for people who didn't like Bush and also don't like Obama's detention proposal, I don't see that it matters that much. Are you suggesting that TPM faked the Feingold letter? Unlikely, but even if true, it just puts TPM on the list opposing indefinite detention.

TheMercenary · 05-28-2009, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

Feingold was the source. TPM happened to have the archive I found it on. And since I was looking for people who didn't like Bush and also don't like Obama's detention proposal, I don't see that it matters that much. Are you suggesting that TPM faked the Feingold letter? Unlikely, but even if true, it just puts TPM on the list opposing indefinite detention.

No none of that. I was just curious since people as of late have gotten their panties all in a wad if the source of a link comes from some place other than the Congressional Record. I for one was just curious and I have never heard of TPM.

classicman · 05-28-2009, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

Feingold was the source.

Sorry HM, I thought I replied last night when I was reading this thread. I saw the Maddow piece when it aired, but not the Olberman one. The Feingold letter was wonderful.

Thanks for the links.

05-27-2009, 02:02 PM	#17
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	The ramifications and benefits of Obama's actions build on the ramifications and benefits of Bush's. Each are responsible for their own, and both are responsible for the sum. Obama will still be responsible for what he does after he hands the reins to the next president. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

05-27-2009, 02:33 PM	#18
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	I stand by my previous post. As far as rewriting the laws and the rights violations that may ensue - thats all on Obama. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

05-27-2009, 03:18 PM	#19
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	And as far as incarcerating them for years without trial while claiming that law was irrelevant and the rights violations that DID ensue, that's all on Bush. And the end result is on both of them. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

05-27-2009, 03:33 PM	#21
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	Hey, if I light a bobcat's tail on fire and throw 'im in your livin' room, and hand you a shovel and a shotgun, but ya ain't supposed ta hit 'im with it, ain't nobody but your momma gonna come cryin' when you throw a bucket of water on 'im and cook 'im for supper. /Dr. Phil __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

05-27-2009, 03:55 PM	#22
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	I actually saw a bobcat once! They are pretty big ya know! __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

05-27-2009, 10:00 PM	#26
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	Here's one: And another: The ACLU has a strongly worded rebuke and a less strongly worded (or at least less strongly headlined) one. Russ Feingold says it's unconstitutional. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

05-27-2009, 10:03 PM	#27
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	TPM? is that actually a legit source of original congressional documents? __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

05-28-2009, 09:13 AM	#28
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	Feingold was the source. TPM happened to have the archive I found it on. And since I was looking for people who didn't like Bush and also don't like Obama's detention proposal, I don't see that it matters that much. Are you suggesting that TPM faked the Feingold letter? Unlikely, but even if true, it just puts TPM on the list opposing indefinite detention. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

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