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Old 08-07-2009, 03:21 PM   #9
Urbane Guerrilla
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No, dar, you didn't so much fix -- as raise another and fairly cogent point. Well enough done, but for your own sake and clarity of mind, don't call such things "fixing."

As for "failed neocon policies," Redux -- I am unpersuaded that they even are failures, or for that matter that most of them are even really neocon. They haven't really had as much influence as perhaps they should have -- ever heard that? Neocons are pretty goddam thoroughly antitotalitarian, all of which is essentially left of center, being about the enlargement of government vis-à-vis a society, and consequent encroachment into it. I reckon this antitotalitarianism as their saving grace. You seem unwilling to believe they have it.

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Or defend your assertion that a nation w/o a guaranteed absolute Constitutional right to bear arms is on the slippery slope to geneocide. How does that play out for the new democracy in Iraq, where there is no such Constitutional right?
Actually, every post I've ever written about guns is a defense of that assertion, on this point and that. It informs all my thinking on guns and society. I've read the arguments the JPFO has made on gun rights and how not to have genocide, and their argument persuades me. It is also an argument of which you remain resolutely ignorant, and to be resolutely ignorant of anything is a poor use of a mind. I think were you to stop being resolutely ignorant, their argument would persuade you also. I commend to your attention Simkin, Zelman and Rice, Lethal Laws: "Gun Control" Is The Key To Genocide, which cites the gun control laws (printing them in the original, w/facing pages translating) and the genocides paired with them. My edition was printed before Rwanda.

Turning to Iraq, such a lack doesn't bode well. But at present, Iraqis of all classes are very much armed, and Kurds aren't being gassed by Sunni-fired artillery, nor are Shi'ites getting tromped on by Sunni-piloted helicopters. De facto if not de jure, everybody's got a lot of access to guns, which is in effect gun rights (howsoeverbeit unsatisfactory from a civil liberties viewpoint). Civil ructions, however full of bang-bang-bang, aren't genocides, though no doubt they express one of the JPFO's three genocidal preconditions, that of hatred. But since the targeted parties are shooting back, genocidal wipeouts aren't on the horizon. Not yet, anyway. That's how I see it "play out."

http://www.jpfo.org/ for more. Read and give it thought.

Spud, thanks; that was one point I was making by being tacit.
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