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09-23-2009, 11:31 AM | #16 |
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If it takes 10-12 years for these guys to learn their jobs, we're electing the wrong guys.
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09-23-2009, 12:14 PM | #17 | |
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And it makes much more sense to me to keep that expertise around (if that is the choice of the voters of that district/state) rather than building that expertise from scratch every election or even every 10-12 years. Thats not to say that I dont want to see more turnover in Congress. New blood adds new perspectives, and that is always good for any institution. But not though wholesale turnover. IMO, that is not the most productive way to run any large institution. And I simply dont want to limit one's choice to keep their current representation, but would rather expand choices through comprehensive campaign finance reform to make it easier to challenge incumbents on a more level playing field. Last edited by Redux; 09-23-2009 at 12:39 PM. |
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09-23-2009, 01:04 PM | #18 |
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Term limits in a nutshell to me:
You can work here for 10-12 years and become an expert on the most important issues to your constituents as well as foreign affairs/national security and the development of national policies affecting environment/financial services/agriculture/intergovernmental relations, etc. Then...out you go! Repeat and rinse. Last edited by Redux; 09-23-2009 at 01:12 PM. |
09-23-2009, 01:56 PM | #19 |
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09-23-2009, 08:53 PM | #20 | |
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09-23-2009, 10:27 PM | #21 | |
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You dont take away the fundamental choice of the people to elect their chosen representatives, which is why the framers did not include term limits in the Constitution. If the system is "broken", you dont fundamentally change what is at the very core of the system, you fix it in a manner that provides greater choice and greater safeguards to ensure that those elected don't abuse the office. |
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09-24-2009, 12:39 AM | #22 | |
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Seems to me that's anti-transparency.
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09-24-2009, 06:07 AM | #23 | |
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From a pratical perspective, I dont want the oversight of the largest public institution in the world to be in the hands of 545 men and women, NONE OF WHOM has more than 10-12 years of experience on the job. I think that is crazy! I want a high level of public policy experience on issues across the board and I want continuity in the legislative process. I understand the entrenched problems that need to be addressed and I am not convinced that term limits would address them more effectively than more comprehensive campaign finance and lobbying reform with strong enforcement penalities. From a philosphical perspective, I do not believe in limiting choice...either for the people to vote for any qualified candidate or elected offiicals being told how long then can serve. I support Constitutional amendments that extend the rights of the people (19th amendment - women's right to vote, 26th amendment - lowering voting age to 18) I do not support Constitutional amendments that limit or restrict any existing rights of the people. But now I am just repeating myself. If a term limit amendment is introduced, many here will obviously support it, I will oppose it, and you will probably be on the side with greater public support. But it aint gonna happen anytime soon. |
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09-24-2009, 08:35 AM | #24 | |
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You don't want Congress to be run by people with no experience, yet you have supreme faith in the average experience-less person to choose the best guy, every time? |
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09-24-2009, 09:26 AM | #25 | ||
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The fundamental issue is limiting the choice of the people to elect their representatives. And, not loosing (throwing out) valuable expertise across the policy perspective and continuity in the legislative process....what might be characterized as efficiency....simply because it might provide greater transparency. Quote:
I believe the Constitution had it right the first time...with no term limits. Last edited by Redux; 09-24-2009 at 09:34 AM. |
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09-24-2009, 09:40 AM | #26 |
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Those are shallow arguments against term limits.
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09-24-2009, 12:55 PM | #27 |
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The only way you can not support term limits is if you actually believe these men and women are working for our benefit rather than theirs. Who believes that? Show of hands please?
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09-24-2009, 02:39 PM | #28 |
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False dilemma. I can think of at least two other reasons why someone might not support term limits.
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09-24-2009, 03:52 PM | #29 | |
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As far as term limits, somewhat off-topic, but I am now curious as to how that revolutionary group in the Chiapas is doing. IIRC, all public officials were supposed to have something like week-long term limits. |
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09-24-2009, 04:03 PM | #30 |
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