Peace

[henry quirk]

"Just because YOU do not understand the communication, doesn't mean it isn't speaking."


Dogs do not speak to convey information beyond: let's fight, fuck, eat. They haven't the complexity of brain/body to do anything more than that.

Go have coffee with one and, later, tell me about the nuanced conversation.

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"Love requires the ability to speak?"


I didn't say that. I said this: 'If I were born with a damaged brain that limited my ability to speak as one aspect of the damage, then, it's entirely possible I would be unable to love.'

'as one aspect' means my lack of speech is possibly one of many things wrong with me. I may have severe retardation. I may be missing huge portions of my brain.

That's part of the reason I asked if you would narrow the question down a bit. "humans who are incapable of communicating" covers a lot of ground.

Get it?

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"the guy who wouldn't define "peace" in his own thread"


I explained my reason for that to Beastmaster. Go back and read that explanation. Or not.

*shrug*

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"every increasingly redundant "I" without any concrete definition"


I've hinted at that definition, and nothing more, simply because I took it that you, as 'I', could suss out what I mean. If you wanna know what the 'I' is: self-examine, self-interrogate.

I'm not teaching a class here. I expect I'm talking with reasonably intelligent folks who can do a little thinking for themselves. If I have to explain the apparent to you or others then maybe you or others ought to retire from the conversation. Better yet, since I prefer you stay, why not go back and read the thread from the start?

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"The first sentence is still opinion and has been challenged repeatedly."


A challenge made with anecdote is useless. To date: you haven't offered a shred of evidence beyond anecdote to support (1) dogs love as humans do, and, (2) dogs understand love.

I on the other hand offer up the evidence available to anyone: my 'self', your 'self', his 'self', her 'self', and our demonstrated individual capacities for love.

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"we still have no definition of "I" but we now have a "tool" of this ever elusive "I". "


There's nothing elusive about *'I'. Go look in the mirror: who's looking back at you? A real, concrete, organic, autonomous, individual.

Now: go prop your pooch in front of a mirror and ask him who or what it sees?

It can't answer: not with speech, sign language, or telepathy. And it sees nothing but another dog, or, a confusing image.

As for **tools: we each are our own, best, property. I am my flesh and my flesh is the way I interact with, apprehend, manipulate the world (walking on legs, grasping with hands, speaking with mouth, thinking with brain, etc.). Tool, as metaphor, seems apt.



*see post 82

**see posts # 65 and 82