Vaccination & epidemic

[Undertoad]

You said "some guy" again.

Yes, where "some guy" is Dr. Stephen Grill, who spent three years in a neurology residency; four years in a fellowship on movement disorders with the National Institutes of Health; is a Medical Advisor for the Dystonia Medical Research Foundation; is lead physician at the Parkinson's & Movement Disorders Center of Maryland; and is a tenured professor at Johns Hopkins, where Desiree was diagnosed.

So: what's the motivation for a neurologist with a specialty in movement disorders to lie about this or make something up? He puts his reputation on the line for... the sake of a few minutes of local news air time?

As someone with deep training and experience, this some guy sees things that we don't. The woman has lost muscular control except when she speeds up, or goes backwards instead of forwards. Her knees cannot not support her to get to the starting line of a 10 k race... and then immediately work perfectly to run the race... and then immediately can't support walking again. Her knees work walking backward, but immediately not forward... and then immediately work again walking backward. Can dystonics suffers ever do that? I can easily imagine an expert drawing broad conclusions on that basis.

Similarly, which I haven't posted about: Dr. Buttar reported that soon after her cure, she only lost speech abilities when talking about her condition. The change in her ability to speak wasn't an inability to say certain syllables, requiring muscle control. It's not that she couldn't get her tz's out. It was the *meaning* of the words, the *emotion* behind the words, her very beliefs that changed her ability.

Like running versus walking, it's using the same muscles but in a different psychological state. So, psychosomatic? I think you think it was.

[jinx]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

The woman has lost muscular control except when she speeds up, or goes backwards instead of forwards. Her knees cannot not support her to get to the starting line of a 10 k race... and then immediately work perfectly to run the race... and then immediately can't support walking again. Her knees work walking backward, but immediately not forward... and then immediately work again walking backward. Can dystonics suffers ever do that? I can easily imagine an expert drawing broad conclusions on that basis.

Did you watch the second video I linked back in post 435? Seems to be the same kinda thing going on, although much less dramatic.

[Undertoad]

Originally Posted by jinx

Did you watch the second video I linked back in post 435? Seems to be the same kinda thing going on, although much less dramatic.

Sure, but it's the much less dramatic part that makes it unconvincing; at no time does this sufferer have complete control whatsoever.

Actual dystonia sufferers are apparently treated by the INJECTION (!) of botulism TOXIN (!) in order to get complete muscular control...

ETA: We could just ask the actual dystonia suffers if they believe DJ had dystonia. Well we don't need to, they already spoke up on that matter to say she didn't.

[jinx]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

Sure, but it's the much less dramatic part that makes it unconvincing; at no time does this sufferer have complete control whatsoever.

So it's not the symptoms you described that you have issue with, it's actually the degree.
The people in the 2 videos I linked seem to have varying degrees of symptoms as well - what do you make of that?

Actual dystonia sufferers are apparently treated by the INJECTION (!) of botulism TOXIN (!) in order to get complete muscular control...

ETA: We could just ask the actual dystonia suffers if they believe DJ had dystonia. Well we don't need to, they already spoke up on that matter to say she didn't.

Wtf? Is any of this in response to the questions I asked about the doctor you find credible or....

[Undertoad]

Originally Posted by jinx

So it's not the symptoms you described that you have issue with, it's actually the degree.

The people in the 2 videos I linked seem to have varying degrees of symptoms as well - what do you make of that?

One of them seems to go between a 6 and an 8 (before treatment); the other woman seems to go from a 3 to a 5 and back again. DJ went from a 0 when running to a 7 when walking. She was using the same muscles...

But, also, what I make of it is not all that important. I'm only speculating on what an educated, experienced specialist might see that would convince him, within 15 seconds, that the stated diagnosis was wrong.

[jinx]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

So: what's the motivation for a neurologist with a specialty in movement disorders to lie about this or make something up? He puts his reputation on the line for... the sake of a few minutes of local news air time?

Why wouldn't he? What makes this guy different from all the other doctors, scientists and researchers who's unscrupulous behaviour has been discussed or documented here? Money, sex, drugs, position.... they've all had their reasons.

Why would he publicly diagnose a person, not his patient, that he's only seen on videotape?

[Undertoad]

Originally Posted by jinx

Why wouldn't he? What makes this guy different from all the other doctors, scientists and researchers who's unscrupulous behaviour has been discussed or documented here? Money, sex, drugs, position.... they've all had their reasons.

The ones documented here?

Why would he publicly diagnose a person, not his patient, that he's only seen on videotape?

As one of the area's leading physicians, he may feel that correcting dangerous misinformation to improve the public health is part of his job.

[jinx]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

The ones documented here?

Yes, there have been quite a few, from pharmaceutical to climate research. I hope you didn't miss them all.

As one of the area's leading physicians, he may feel that correcting dangerous misinformation to improve the public health is part of his job.

That misinformation being that Desiree specifically was injured by a vaccine, or that it is actually possible to be injured by a vaccine?

[Undertoad]

Originally Posted by jinx

Yes, there have been quite a few, from pharmaceutical to climate research. I hope you didn't miss them all.

My response is already in #342 in this thread.

In the short run, yes, all those things you put into scare quotes are corruptible. Less corruptible than in almost every other institution, but yes.

In the long run, no. Truth will out. Redundant studies will find conflicting results, new theories will be advanced and tested.

The guy who discovered that stomach ulcers are caused by a virus was going heavily against medical consensus... and faced some battles at first... but the truth was evident. The guy who invented the MRI faced an uphill battle, as nobody believed he could be coming up with something useful. In the end, truth won.

Why doesn't the CDC operate in the way you'd prefer? Dunno. Your explanation seems to tend towards "The organization is involved in an unlawful, multi-decade conspiracy to maintain the status quo at all costs." I doubt this.

The explanation that you desire requires more and more extraordinary narratives over time. This makes me more skeptical.

That misinformation being that Desiree specifically was injured by a vaccine, or that it is actually possible to be injured by a vaccine?

That misinformation being that the flu vaccine is dangerous.