Corporate Money Will Reshape Politics - Page 2

Pico and ME · 01-21-2010, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

WE corporations, and the people we own, of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union....

xoxoxoBruce · 01-21-2010, 06:37 PM

Gotta get rid of all that red & white, non-revenue producing, space.

Pie · 01-21-2010, 07:47 PM

Nah, that's the military-industrial complex and BigPharma.

squirell nutkin · 01-21-2010, 07:49 PM

WILL reshape politics? What, did you write this thread 200 years ago and just now got around to hitting "Post Quick Reply"?

For as long as I've been alive I've been aware we've been living in a Corpocracy.

richlevy · 01-21-2010, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Pie

I have long felt that if 'corporations' really are 'legal persons' they should be treated as the rest of us

I have long felt that if corporations really are legal persons they should be eligible for lethal injection in Texas.

glatt · 01-22-2010, 09:20 AM

Does this new ruling mean that multinational corporations can now pump money into the US elections by using their US branch? Are we going to have Chinese corporations donating money to US candidates by using dummy US subsidiaries?

TheMercenary · 01-22-2010, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by classicman

[What do you think?

I don't like it but I see how they made their arguement. I guess the only thing to do is count on the Congress to redefine the law and start over.

I would like to see all elected officials be limited to public funds only at a set minimum amount and the same limits on public corps and special interest groups.

TheMercenary · 01-22-2010, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by glatt

Does this new ruling mean that multinational corporations can now pump money into the US elections by using their US branch? Are we going to have Chinese corporations donating money to US candidates by using dummy US subsidiaries?

Very good question. It will be interesting to see how it unfolds.

Happy Monkey · 01-22-2010, 10:13 AM

Donation limits to candidates are still in place.

But under this formulation, if corporations are people, and money is speech, any corporation, foreign or domestic, can now run their own ads for or against candidates. They'll only need dummy corporations if they want to be somewhat anonymous.

classicman · 01-22-2010, 11:18 AM

Are the limits for a single corp based on it being one corp or a corp "representing" x number of people?

The international issue is a biggie!

Happy Monkey · 01-22-2010, 11:26 AM

Any limits to donating directly to candidates (I don't know specifics on this, it may not even be legal at all) would be per-corporation.

But there will be no limit to the corporation making its own ad campaign, completely separately (wink wink nudge nudge) from the candidate's campaign.

classicman · 01-22-2010, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

But there will be no limit to the corporation making its own ad campaign, completely separately (wink wink nudge nudge) from the candidate's campaign.

Yep. This is ridiculous. I still cannot gather the mentality or logic behind this decision. To me its akin to separation of church and state.

I just don't see how this really has anything to do with the First Amendment. Refresh my memory, when did corporations become people again?

Happy Monkey · 01-22-2010, 11:43 AM

1886

classicman · 01-22-2010, 11:47 AM

Thanks HM - that was more of a rhetorical statement

toranokaze · 01-22-2010, 01:25 PM

The largest of the large corporations have had far too much power and influence of the government for the longest time and now with this ruling not only are corporations more people than people they truly can do what ever they want, and government only services a figurehead to the largest corporations now.

01-21-2010, 06:37 PM	#17
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Gotta get rid of all that red & white, non-revenue producing, space. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

01-21-2010, 07:47 PM	#18
Pie Gone and done Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 4,808	Nah, that's the military-industrial complex and BigPharma. __________________ per·son \ˈpər-sən\ (noun) - an ephemeral collection of small, irrational decisions The fun thing about evolution (and science in general) is that it happens whether you believe in it or not.

01-21-2010, 07:49 PM	#19
squirell nutkin has a second hand user title Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: in a Nut House Posts: 2,017	WILL reshape politics? What, did you write this thread 200 years ago and just now got around to hitting "Post Quick Reply"? For as long as I've been alive I've been aware we've been living in a Corpocracy. __________________ And now I'm finished posting.

01-22-2010, 10:13 AM	#24
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	Donation limits to candidates are still in place. But under this formulation, if corporations are people, and money is speech, any corporation, foreign or domestic, can now run their own ads for or against candidates. They'll only need dummy corporations if they want to be somewhat anonymous. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

01-22-2010, 11:18 AM	#25
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Are the limits for a single corp based on it being one corp or a corp "representing" x number of people? The international issue is a biggie! __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

01-22-2010, 09:20 AM	#21
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	Does this new ruling mean that multinational corporations can now pump money into the US elections by using their US branch? Are we going to have Chinese corporations donating money to US candidates by using dummy US subsidiaries?

01-22-2010, 11:26 AM	#26
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	Any limits to donating directly to candidates (I don't know specifics on this, it may not even be legal at all) would be per-corporation. But there will be no limit to the corporation making its own ad campaign, completely separately (wink wink nudge nudge) from the candidate's campaign. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

01-22-2010, 11:43 AM	#28
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	1886 __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

01-22-2010, 11:47 AM	#29
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Thanks HM - that was more of a rhetorical statement __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

01-22-2010, 01:25 PM	#30
toranokaze I'm still a jerk Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Little Mexico Posts: 1,817	The largest of the large corporations have had far too much power and influence of the government for the longest time and now with this ruling not only are corporations more people than people they truly can do what ever they want, and government only services a figurehead to the largest corporations now. __________________ "Without deviation from the norm progress is not possible." - Frank Zappa It is the ignorance of ignorance that lead to the death of knowledge The Virgin Mary does not weep for her son, for he is in paradise. She weeps for the world , for we are in suffering.

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