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[Urbane Guerrilla]

And this is somehow bad? All five people in the PNAC were and are freedom fighters, so of course that upsets some cryptofascists who don't want robust, manly antitotalitarianism to take hold and spread the blessings of liberty throughout the Earth. No no no; as one of the freedom people, I don't diss PNAC. I ponder them carefully.

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

And this is somehow bad? All five people in the PNAC were and are freedom fighters, so of course that upsets some cryptofascists who don't want robust, manly antitotalitarianism to take hold and spread the blessings of liberty throughout the Earth. No no no; as one of the freedom people, I don't diss PNAC. I ponder them carefully.

Good policeman or "freedom fighters" value diplomacy as the first tool to resolve conflict. They also understand that one size (American-style conservative) democracy does not fit all.

And ponder the unintended consequences of their actions before invading and occupying a sovereign nation......2-4 million displaced persons and/or refugees, a government with long-standing ties to Iran, strengthening Iran's position in the region......

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Originally Posted by Redux

Good policeman or "freedom fighters" value diplomacy as the first tool to resolve conflict. They also understand that one size (American-style conservative) democracy does not fit all.

But democracy and republicanism more generally conceived, that does fit well for the entire human race. Incremental steps toward the way that does indeed work are fine with me, so long as they come at a steady pace. There are no grounds whatsoever to not have confidence in an open society, a general franchise, economic liberty to the greatest degree, freedom of movement, of information, of finances, of security. Read your Barnett; I am way out ahead of all your argument here.

And ponder the unintended consequences of their actions before invading and occupying a sovereign nation......2-4 million displaced persons and/or refugees, a government with long-standing ties to Iran, strengthening Iran's position in the region......

Always with you, it's you know the price of everything, and the value of nothing. Shame on you, Redux. You should try being a visionary. Ground it in realism and wise strategy as well and carefully as you may, but be a visionary. It would be refreshing. It would also make you recognizably a person of freedom instead of the lesser sort of creature you are presently satisfied with being. (Too small for my spirit.)

Nor would I believe for a minute that our actions there "strengthen Iran's position in the region......" Certainly Iran is bidding for such strength, but it is not us that are making Iran strong, but Iran. They are going to try this, will we or nill we on Capitol Hill, having free will after all! Our actions are there to undermine their strength because absolutely no one outside of Iran trusts the mullahcracy to keep the peace or to bring prosperity.

Warfare is what it always was: the bluntest of instruments, working only by smashing. Do you think your complaints about it are original? Something new? Not so. Where did your desire to destroy the Saddams of the world go? I have it. I cannot see yours. I have virtue thereby. Where is yours?

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

And this is somehow bad? All five people in the PNAC were and are freedom fighters, so of course that upsets some cryptofascists who don't want robust, manly antitotalitarianism to take hold and spread the blessings of liberty throughout the Earth. No no no; as one of the freedom people, I don't diss PNAC. I ponder them carefully.

It was an internal DoD Inspector General report that found that Feith and his Office of Strategic Plans relied on "reporting of dubious quality or reliability" and "was predisposed to finding a significant relationship" between Iraq and al-Qaida" to justify the invasion.

Intelligence provided by former undersecretary of defense Douglas J. Feith to buttress the White House case for invading Iraq included "reporting of dubious quality or reliability" that supported the political views of senior administration officials rather than the conclusions of the intelligence community, according to a report by the Pentagon's inspector general.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...020802387.html

Much like after the invasion, a DoJ IG report found that DoJ attorneys acted politically rather than judiciously, to justify torture.

Is that really the way "freedom fighters" should act?

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

Much like after the invasion, a DoJ IG report found that DoJ attorneys acted politically rather than judiciously, to justify torture.

Ok, hang the lawyers.

[DanaC]

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

... who don't want robust, manly antitotalitarianism to take hold and spread the blessings of liberty throughout the Earth. .

I'd much rather have robust womanly antitotalitarianism :P

i mean seriously...manly?

We've had T'dub channeling Spock; now we have Urbane channeling Rousseau. Where willl the madness end?

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Originally Posted by DanaC

I'd much rather have robust womanly antitotalitarianism :P

Ah. I would suggest AnnCoulterOnline, then. She is reliably antitotalitarian in a great big way.

I mean seriously...manly?

I shall be interested indeed to see if you can frame a ... question... about that. The breaking of bad governance calls upon that body of traits the Noble Old Romans grouped under "virtu." Not a bad set of traits to have, IMO.

We've had T'dub channeling Spock; now we have Urbane channeling Rousseau. Where willl the madness end?

About the time and place the last dictator is hanged on the tripes of the last national chief of secret police, to borrow an image from the leftist revolutionaries in the service of a much better ideal than anything that lot of damned thieving schmucks ever came up with.

[Griff]

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

No no no; as one of the freedom people, I don't diss PNAC. I ponder them carefully.

Ponder their totalitarian leftist roots and consider how they corrupted conservatism with their activist agenda.