Taliban hang 7-year-old boy accused of being a spy

[lookout123]

Not at all. I quite clearly remember saying I don't have a problem with enhanced interrogation techniques(torture if you prefer) under certain circumstances.

Originally Posted by lookout123

Not at all. I quite clearly remember saying I don't have a problem with enhanced interrogation techniques(torture if you prefer) under certain circumstances.

Do you have a lower age limit for torture? Bush/Cheney evidently didnt.

[xoxoxoBruce]

If you think a 14 year old Taliban soldier, isn't just as dangerous as a 28 year old Taliban soldier, you are mistaken. In most of the World, a 14 year old is expected to carry his share of the load, unlike here where we insist they are children.

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

If you think a 14 year old Taliban soldier, isn't just as dangerous as a 28 year old Taliban soldier, you are mistaken. In most of the World, a 14 year old is expected to carry his share of the load, unlike here where we insist they are children.

How about 14 years old swept up because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time....and held for 5 years or more with no evidence that they were engaged in terrorists activities?

And torture is still illegal under US law and treaty obligations. A unilateral presidential declaration calling it "enhanced interrogation techniques" doesn't change that.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Torture him until he confesses.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Originally Posted by Redux

Do you have a lower age limit for torture? Bush/Cheney evidently didnt.

The demonizing of Bush/Cheney is misplaced, superstitious, defective mentally, and to be abhorred by the reasonable. If you do not abhor this, you can't ever believe yourself to be a reasonable person, and must be ashamed of yourself.

The neocons are much more freedom-fighters than you ever were or ever will be. They actually think it's the best way for living humans.

That Democrats think like this is one reason I never vote for Democratic candidates. They have amputated their faculty for common, or any other, sense.

Originally Posted by classicman

War is hell. Deal with it or get out of the way and let those who will, do so.

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

The demonizing of Bush/Cheney is misplaced, superstitious, defective mentally, and to be abhorred by the reasonable. If you do not abhor this, you can't ever believe yourself to be a reasonable person, and must be ashamed of yourself...

Damn the Constitution and International Treaties.....Full Speed Ahead!

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Originally Posted by Redux

Damn the Constitution and International Treaties.....Full Speed Ahead!

That being my precise point: an accurate understanding of the situation shows us the Bush Administration adhered more to the Constitution than either the Administration before his, or the one after. You didn't find senior officials telling us "The Constitution doesn't concern me" in the Bush Administration, but you do now. No wonder I didn't vote for this guy. No wonder I'm going to vote against him next chance I get, too. No wonder I'm going to contribute money to his opponents.

And what about treaties? I don't recall anyone getting shortchanged enough to notice. Where are you getting this? Leftwing blogs? Have you at the last no sense of critical thinking whatsoever? If you're a Democrat, Redux, I thank God I'm not one.

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

That being my precise point: an accurate understanding of the situation shows us the Bush Administration adhered more to the Constitution than either the Administration before his, or the one after. You didn't find senior officials telling us "The Constitution doesn't concern me" in the Bush Administration, but you do now. No wonder I didn't vote for this guy. No wonder I'm going to vote against him next chance I get, too. No wonder I'm going to contribute money to his opponents.

And what about treaties? I don't recall anyone getting shortchanged enough to notice. Where are you getting this? Leftwing blogs? Have you at the last no sense of critical thinking whatsoever? If you're a Democrat, Redux, I thank God I'm not one.

In fact, i got it from DoJ IG internal investigation that found the Bush DoJ attorneys used "poor judgment" (a slap on the wrist...the least harsh penalty) and may have acted politically to meet the demands/expectations of the White House to justify torture. Others within the Dept, particularly, the Office of Professional Responsibility, thought it was worse than that and wanted harsher penalties.

And it was not the only internal IG investigation that the Bush DoJ put political expediency above the rule of law. It also applied to actions within the Civil Rights Division and general hiring practices within the Dept.

Three internal reviews casting doubt or finding serious actions by political appointees within the Department that were counter to the concept of following the law.

added:
As to the "before or after", we had that discussion (link) and the best you could come up with about previous (Clinton) DoJ was a book, by Rush Limbaugh's brother, some wingnut site about Reno and a strip club and that someone said that they knew someone who overheard someone suggesting that Reno was involved in a lesbian sexy orgy.

So, please, dont lecture me unless you have facts to support your claims.

But if you insist on continuing a discussion of the respective DoJs, I will be happy to oblige....lets take it back to the link above.

[xoxoxoBruce]

DOJ internal investigation... because lawyers never lie, lawyers never have an axe to grind, lawyers are never political, so we can certainly believe that report.